Sharing BRSTV’s video!

[gbroadbridge]

This sounds eerily familar to Flint Michigan.

I'd never even heard of Flint, Michigan until today.

Googled it - what a crazy story.

There are so many things that affect us as fish keepers, it's interesting to see how things around the world affect us.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Yes BRS is trying to sell me something. Good I know what their motivations are.

And that’s the only point I’m trying to get folks to remember. Not that the videos are bad, just that there can be an underlying bias.

Many of their videos have served hobbyists well , IMO. Scientists and some few aquarists have recognized significant pH effects on calcification rates for years, with many published studies, but it was only a BRS repetition of a pH effect that seems to have convinced a lot more folks that it can matter.

 

[gbroadbridge]

And that’s the only point I’m trying to get folks to remember. Not that the videos are bad, just that there can be an underlying bias.

Many of their videos have served hobbyists well , IMO. Scientists and some few aquarists have recognized significant pH effects on calcification rates for years, with many published studies, but it was only a BRS repetition of a pH effect that seems to have convinced a lot more folks that it can matter.

Have you considered an article about the care and cleaning of a pH electrode?

Many folks take the reading gratis, but without conditioning the reading may be worthless.

DIY cleaning solutions seem/are simple.

 

[Jedi1199]

My new favorite quote about the hobby and life!

I am the one who proves them wrong. In almost every way I run my tank I prove that what people say, is not reality.

One unfortunate fact of online forums like this one, is that so many people "parrot" information from what they read. "Someone said it and it worked for them, it must be true!"

How many of these people have actually DONE what they advise? I expect a fair number have tried, and found success. I believe that is where the "rules" come from. It worked for him, it worked for me, this is how it should be.

I am the "anti-reefer" in this regard. I don't care what he did.. I do my own thing and relate my own experience, good or bad.

 

[Sean Clark]

Investigators have concluded that the city of Flint Michigan and by proxy the people that created the crisis did nothing wrong, and nothing should be done.

That is not what what happened as a result of the investigation.

Your analogy still applies but the example does not.

Being from Michigan I may be privy to additional information but should that be true that alone would be sad. It just illustrates that misinformation or the lack of information is everywhere.

 

[Jedi1199]

Ryan makes a comment at about 37:25 or so... "The level of experience or skill will greatly influence the outcome."

This is so very much true. What works for one and is disaster for another is usually directly related to experience and skill.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Have you considered an article about the care and cleaning of a pH electrode?

Many folks take the reading gratis, but without conditioning the reading may be worthless.

DIY cleaning solutions seem/are simple.

I discuss it in many threads, but I notice that none of my pH measurement and use articles actually discuss the probe cleaning. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[BanjoBandito]

I am the one who proves them wrong. In almost every way I run my tank I prove that what people say, is not reality.

One unfortunate fact of online forums like this one, is that so many people "parrot" information from what they read. "Someone said it and it worked for them, it must be true!"

How many of these people have actually DONE what they advise? I expect a fair number have tried, and found success. I believe that is where the "rules" come from. It worked for him, it worked for me, this is how it should be.

I am the "anti-reefer" in this regard. I don't care what he did.. I do my own thing and relate my own experience, good or bad.

Now wait a minute, are you doing water changes with tide pods? I have no issue with the “I’ll find out for myself” and the “this is how it works for me” approach, I do a lot of that myself…but I still want to be open minded and teachable…even if I’m a blockhead (ask my wife).

What kinda things are we talking about here? There are some fundamental golden rules and I think a lot of this video is really about stating things we know but now that BRS said it - “well now I can believe it.” Mostly because of the internet/social media being a cesspool.

I’m in between setting up a nano at my house and curing rock in the big system right now and while not an original idea, I’d love to start a “bucket tank challenge” on here. Proof is in the pudding like you said. And I agree with the “parroting”…the dogma is heavy in this hobby! I’d say we should write a “10 commandments” of reefing but nobody would agree on it. Lol.

this my not be everyone’s belief (lord knows some old timers treat reef knowledge like some magical secret) but I want more people in the hobby and I want them to have success. So all jokes aside, if this video helps more people be more successful then it’s worth it. This hobby is hard, especially with the equipment arms race going on currently. Seems more about how much money you spent and how fancy your plumbing is than actual biological success.

 

[rtparty]

And that’s the only point I’m trying to get folks to remember. Not that the videos are bad, just that there can be an underlying bias.

Many of their videos have served hobbyists well , IMO. Scientists and some few aquarists have recognized significant pH effects on calcification rates for years, with many published studies, but it was only a BRS repetition of a pH effect that seems to have convinced a lot more folks that it can matter.

What was Ryan/BRS selling in THIS video? AlgaeBarn pods?

Ryan decided to put together a 10 month experiment on 12 tanks so he could sell some pods?

I mean if the definition of "selling/shilling" is simply "a business opened their mouth" then it's tough to take any video or even an article seriously these days. Why? Someone posts an article on a website that receives clicks, those clicks are turned into dollars 99% of the time.

This forum is a business. Posts are absolutely edited or removed to protect the business and its sponsors all the time. You can't claim it is unbiased.

 

[BanjoBandito]

What was Ryan/BRS selling in THIS video? AlgaeBarn pods?

Ryan decided to put together a 10 month experiment on 12 tanks so he could sell some pods?

I mean if the definition of "selling/shilling" is simply "a business opened their mouth" then it's tough to take any video or even an article seriously these days. Why? Someone posts an article on a website that receives clicks, those clicks are turned into dollars 99% of the time.

This forum is a business. Posts are absolutely edited or removed to protect the business and its sponsors all the time. You can't claim it is unbiased.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

What was Ryan/BRS selling in THIS video? AlgaeBarn pods?

Ryan decided to put together a 10 month experiment on 12 tanks so he could sell some pods?

I mean if the definition of "selling/shilling" is simply "a business opened their mouth" then it's tough to take any video or even an article seriously these days. Why? Someone posts an article on a website that receives clicks, those clicks are turned into dollars 99% of the time.

This forum is a business. Posts are absolutely edited or removed to protect the business and its sponsors all the time. You can't claim it is unbiased.

I already addressed that question, in two different posts. So have others.

I don’t even understand why what I said was controversial.

if folks recognize they are a business and may have a bias in any given video/commercial, I have no further issues.

when a car company claims they have the best cars, no one is confused that their claim is identical to consumer reports saying what they believe is the best car.

My concern is that some folks think of BRS videos as if consumer reports did them, rather than a company that sells many of the same products they evaluate (including in this video).

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Trust, but verify. The second part is more important than the first.

 

[polyppal]

8 pages about a BRS video?!?

 

[rtparty]

I already addressed that question, in two different posts. So have others.

I don’t even understand why what I said was controversial.

if folks recognize they are a business and may have a bias in any given video/commercial, I have no further issues.

when a car company claims they have the best cars, no one is confused that their claim is identical to consumer reports saying what they believe is the best car.

My concern is that some folks think of BRS videos as if consumer reports did them, rather than a company that sells many of the same products they evaluate (including in this video).

This will sound rude but I don't think the vast majority of us come here to have RHF tell us BRS is a business

I'd love your thoughts on the video and the experiments. What was done well, what was done poorly, what could be improved, what other things can be tested after seeing these results? The science stuff.

I know you keep using Consumer Reports as an example but I've found them to be dreadful and extremely biased on many things. Plenty of evidence out there for this as well. One of the biggest issues being how uneducated many are on CR on the item they talk about. Look no further than their absolutely abysmal and uneducated content on Tesla. That's for another thread though.

We will never have a CR type of entity in this hobby. I'd love one though. A truly independent third party reviewing items would be a godsend

 

[rtparty]

8 pages about a BRS video?!?

 

[polyppal]

 

[BanjoBandito]

8 pages about a BRS video?!?

Don't worry it's morphed into a discussion about consumer reports and how Randy is biased. Pretty soon someone will bring up Vibrant.

 

[BanjoBandito]

This will sound rude but I don't think the vast majority of us come here to have RHF tell us BRS is a business

I'd love your thoughts on the video and the experiments. What was done well, what was done poorly, what could be improved, what other things can be tested after seeing these results? The science stuff.

I know you keep using Consumer Reports as an example but I've found them to be dreadful and extremely biased on many things. Plenty of evidence out there for this as well. One of the biggest issues being how uneducated many are on CR on the item they talk about. Look no further than their absolutely abysmal and uneducated content on Tesla. That's for another thread though.

We will never have a CR type of entity in this hobby. I'd love one though. A truly independent third party reviewing items would be a godsend

I specifically come here for the RHF comments. If he's not trustworthy, unbiased and honest, I'm not sure who to trust.

 

[rtparty]

I specifically come here for the RHF comments. If he's not trustworthy, unbiased and honest, I'm not sure who to trust.

Read what I wrote. You come here to have RHF tell you BRS is a business?

I thought you had deducted that already

 

[BanjoBandito]

Read what I wrote. You come here to have RHF tell you BRS is a business?

I thought you had deducted that already

Nope. I'm as dumb as it gets.