Show off your Poletti lineage Jawbreakers?

[LRT]

Scavenged the album for updated pix the other day and meant to post these here

 

[Jimmy_HC]

Beautiful colony.
I noticed yours grow pretty distinguished lines radiating from the center out. Any idea where you got them?

I wonder if its a lineage or lighting/enviornment thing

The patterns look pretty spot on for my OG mommas growth too but mine lack the line and get another shade of orange growing in.

Finally after 10 years one bounced lol.

Thank you, I’ve been cooking these for awhile hoping to have an awesome baby pop out.

The original was sold as an OG poletti jawbreaker about 5-6 years ago. I never notice the lines until you brought it up!

Interesting indeed, I’d like to know if it does have anything to do with lighting/nutrients or just lineage.

 

[Jimmy_HC]

Thanks for the tag! I actually know a bit of the history regarding the Jawbreakers. I wrote an article regarding mushrooms and had insight on the origins of it along with the Tye Dye (the actual original Jawbreaker).

Article here: https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/shrooms-the-latest-hot-trend.91/

But to get to your concern, this came from Kmaintl, who had very close relations to the origins of the Jawbreaker. I assumed that the original Jawbreaker came from a shop in Milpitas, California called Aquatic Gallery. The owner was Dr. Li, just to give context on how his discussion starts:

"What you state is correct. I never disclosed Dr. Li's name nor the first hobbyist that purchased the original mother from Dr. Li because he asked me not to and I respected his wishes. The first hobbyist that owned the Mother Jawbreaker (assumed it was named by Dr. Li as he was first to receive this import around 9 years ago now) was one of my customers who purchase reef equipment and I purchased some corals from him for my other customers. He shall remain nameless until he changes his mind and would like to reveal his identity. He lived in San Jose area and I still remember the month he brought the Mother Jawbreaker home, my jaw dropped when I saw it. So, the name for the mushroom was appropriate.

My colony is shared ownership with my son-in-law's younger brothers and we still have our original 1st daughter that was produced by the original Mother Jawbreaker that now resides with Zack at TDF. Since we've owned the colony for 9 years now, we've kept at least 9 granddaughters with nice amount of green and one of them actually had purple before that tank crash and we lost her. 2 years ago, we split the mother colony among the 3 partners and each has several green polyps in their colony. We still keep a mother colony where we frag out for sales, so we do have frags throughout the year. The zoo location is SF is where our mother colony is located.

The 2nd daughter went to a hobbyist in Sacto area, who sold it 3 years ago when he was relocated to Hawaii. He sold everything before moving. The 3rd daughter is still in the San Jose area and I don't know much about the history behind the 3rd daughter. But as of 3 years ago, the hobbyist that owned the original Mother Jawbreaker said the 3rd owner never dropped a baby, just got very big and happily settled in one place in his tank.

Getting back to history, Rommel made the San Jose hobbyist an offer he couldn't refuse (to this day my San Jose customer regrets letting go of the Mother Jawbreaker) and Rommel flip it and sold to Zack at TDF. My only regret is seeing the original Mother Jawbreaker escape from the West Coast. Zack didn't know that the Jawbreaker already had a name and said that Rommel referred to it as a mystery mushroom, unknown and one of a kind. So, Zack named it Mystery TieDye as that's what the Mother looks like.

There is at least 3 lineages of mushrooms called Jawbreakers and that's what makes it confusing. Unless yours leads back to TDF's Mother, you don't have the one that grows to about 5"-6" across, comes in with green and purple as it matures. The other lineages that came in about 9 years ago only grows to about 2"-2.5" and only red and orange. The lineage that came in about 2 years ago is smooth and small, but has the 3 colors quickly. The newest lineage also faster grower. HTH so, yes, one of Jawbreaker lineage is the same as the Mystery TieDye, not the others. "

It took a bit of digging, but I heard/read somewhere that Mark Poletti found his piece at a LFS, before the whole Jawbreaker deal came to light. His is most likely another strain, and is actually the majority of Jawbreakers available in the hobby to this day.

A new wave of wild Jawbreakers/ Eclectus have been making their wave into the hobby the past few years as well. I'm not sure where Andre found his strain, but it's proven to throw an insane amount of solid green, much different from the regular Poletti strain.

I believe the Jawbreaker you purchased looks more like an "Eclectus" shroom, which is known to have a slight green tint to it.

Here's a photo of an Eclectus online:

Here's the TDF Tye Dye (original Jawbreaker) that I unfortunately lost a few years ago in a crash/ equipment malfunction.

Here's two grown up versions of Mark Polleti's Jawbreaker:

And here is Andre's Ultimate Jawbreaker Colony:

Hopefully this gives you a bit of the background between the different "Jawbreaker" strains going around.

What an amazing read!

 

[RafaelsReef]

Kmaintl here too!! Got mine back in 2011-12

 

[Jimmy_HC]

Better pic of the abnormal jawbreaker and a close up of the babies

 

[Jimmy_HC]

Some more close shots of the babies

 

[reeftwincities]

I got my jawbreakers from @Saltyreef near the beginning of the year. A few weeks ago, I noticed a spot of purple/green coming in. I first thought it was a small laceration or abrasion on the coral, but it seems to be there several weeks later. On the frill where there's red, there seems to be more purple shading as well. I know it's just a smudge but pretty pumped with how this one might develop!!

Also shout out to @Saltyreef! Out of curiosity -- are the legendary Kmaintl jawbreakers from @Saltyreef the same as Poletti?

A few weeks later

 

[Saltyreef]

I got my jawbreakers from @Saltyreef near the beginning of the year. A few weeks ago, I noticed a spot of purple/green coming in. I first thought it was a small laceration or abrasion on the coral, but it seems to be there several weeks later. On the frill where there's red, there seems to be more purple shading as well. I know it's just a smudge but pretty pumped with how this one might develop!!

Also shout out to @Saltyreef! Out of curiosity -- are the legendary Kmaintl jawbreakers from @Saltyreef the same as Poletti?

A few weeks later

Thanks for the shout!

Looking great! Thats a unique spot forsure!!!

As far as if Mark Polettis JBs are the same as Kmaintl, im not sure where he sourced his from but i wouldnt be surprised if they are similar as both came from the SF bay area

 

[LRT]

Thanks for the shout!

Looking great! Thats a unique spot forsure!!!

As far as if Mark Polettis JBs are the same as Kmaintl, im not sure where he sourced his from but i wouldnt be surprised if they are similar as both came from the SF bay area

Thanks for the tag! I actually know a bit of the history regarding the Jawbreakers. I wrote an article regarding mushrooms and had insight on the origins of it along with the Tye Dye (the actual original Jawbreaker).

Article here: https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/shrooms-the-latest-hot-trend.91/

But to get to your concern, this came from Kmaintl, who had very close relations to the origins of the Jawbreaker. I assumed that the original Jawbreaker came from a shop in Milpitas, California called Aquatic Gallery. The owner was Dr. Li, just to give context on how his discussion starts:

"What you state is correct. I never disclosed Dr. Li's name nor the first hobbyist that purchased the original mother from Dr. Li because he asked me not to and I respected his wishes. The first hobbyist that owned the Mother Jawbreaker (assumed it was named by Dr. Li as he was first to receive this import around 9 years ago now) was one of my customers who purchase reef equipment and I purchased some corals from him for my other customers. He shall remain nameless until he changes his mind and would like to reveal his identity. He lived in San Jose area and I still remember the month he brought the Mother Jawbreaker home, my jaw dropped when I saw it. So, the name for the mushroom was appropriate.

My colony is shared ownership with my son-in-law's younger brothers and we still have our original 1st daughter that was produced by the original Mother Jawbreaker that now resides with Zack at TDF. Since we've owned the colony for 9 years now, we've kept at least 9 granddaughters with nice amount of green and one of them actually had purple before that tank crash and we lost her. 2 years ago, we split the mother colony among the 3 partners and each has several green polyps in their colony. We still keep a mother colony where we frag out for sales, so we do have frags throughout the year. The zoo location is SF is where our mother colony is located.

The 2nd daughter went to a hobbyist in Sacto area, who sold it 3 years ago when he was relocated to Hawaii. He sold everything before moving. The 3rd daughter is still in the San Jose area and I don't know much about the history behind the 3rd daughter. But as of 3 years ago, the hobbyist that owned the original Mother Jawbreaker said the 3rd owner never dropped a baby, just got very big and happily settled in one place in his tank.

Getting back to history, Rommel made the San Jose hobbyist an offer he couldn't refuse (to this day my San Jose customer regrets letting go of the Mother Jawbreaker) and Rommel flip it and sold to Zack at TDF. My only regret is seeing the original Mother Jawbreaker escape from the West Coast. Zack didn't know that the Jawbreaker already had a name and said that Rommel referred to it as a mystery mushroom, unknown and one of a kind. So, Zack named it Mystery TieDye as that's what the Mother looks like.

There is at least 3 lineages of mushrooms called Jawbreakers and that's what makes it confusing. Unless yours leads back to TDF's Mother, you don't have the one that grows to about 5"-6" across, comes in with green and purple as it matures. The other lineages that came in about 9 years ago only grows to about 2"-2.5" and only red and orange. The lineage that came in about 2 years ago is smooth and small, but has the 3 colors quickly. The newest lineage also faster grower. HTH so, yes, one of Jawbreaker lineage is the same as the Mystery TieDye, not the others. "

It took a bit of digging, but I heard/read somewhere that Mark Poletti found his piece at a LFS, before the whole Jawbreaker deal came to light. His is most likely another strain, and is actually the majority of Jawbreakers available in the hobby to this day.

A new wave of wild Jawbreakers/ Eclectus have been making their wave into the hobby the past few years as well. I'm not sure where Andre found his strain, but it's proven to throw an insane amount of solid green, much different from the regular Poletti strain.

I believe the Jawbreaker you purchased looks more like an "Eclectus" shroom, which is known to have a slight green tint to it.

Here's a photo of an Eclectus online:

Here's the TDF Tye Dye (original Jawbreaker) that I unfortunately lost a few years ago in a crash/ equipment malfunction.

Here's two grown up versions of Mark Polleti's Jawbreaker:

And here is Andre's Ultimate Jawbreaker Colony:

Hopefully this gives you a bit of the background between the different "Jawbreaker" strains going around.

I got my jawbreakers from @Saltyreef near the beginning of the year. A few weeks ago, I noticed a spot of purple/green coming in. I first thought it was a small laceration or abrasion on the coral, but it seems to be there several weeks later. On the frill where there's red, there seems to be more purple shading as well. I know it's just a smudge but pretty pumped with how this one might develop!!

Also shout out to @Saltyreef! Out of curiosity -- are the legendary Kmaintl jawbreakers from @Saltyreef the same as Poletti?

A few weeks later

I'm going to have to reread this post from LC here but he gave a pretty good run down at beginning of the thread.
If I was to guess from what ive observed is they would be different only based on color of cap. Kmaintl cap is much different than poletti color cap in person. Both uniquely awesome just different shade but its not saying they didn't come from same source and one or the other could very well be a morph of the same shroom strain.
Very interesting for sure.
I just so happened to grab a shot of my @Saltyreef kmaintls earlier. Im going to have a bunch of these shrooms all over the place as my female clown has claimed this bowl as her house and kicks the babies out haha see a cpl she hasn't been able to evict though!

 

[reeftwincities]

I'm going to have to reread this post from LC here but he gave a pretty good run down at beginning of the thread.

Thanks for the clarification! One day I'll have to find a Polletti jawbreaker for comparison. The kmaintls/saltyreef morph is just killer. It's hard to get that bright yellow!

 

[Saltyreef]

Just took some quick shots of my Matriarch Jawbreaker last night. Disappointed in my new phones camera though.

10g tank.
Stretching to near 4" across.

 

[LRT]

Thanks for the clarification! One day I'll have to find a Polletti jawbreaker for comparison. The kmaintls/saltyreef morph is just killer. It's hard to get that bright yellow!

Agreed the Salty Kmaintl are fire. Not to mention the most hardy and healthy Jb i have come across and I've tried a bunch of new school Jb's. My Salty Kmaintl hit my system and pretty much started dropping babies right away.

 

[LRT]

Just took some quick shots of my Matriarch Jawbreaker last night. Disappointed in my new phones camera though.

10g tank.
Stretching to near 4" across.

Dude look at the green on her! Very nice man. Love how the red sprawls out across the cap. Def unique man and props for keeping these around!

 

[reeftwincities]

Just took some quick shots of my Matriarch Jawbreaker last night. Disappointed in my new phones camera though.

Wooooow! Definitely understand why they originally included the "tie dye" moniker in the name when you see a picture like that! That's awesome! Ditto what @LRT said. Thanks for keeping these around @Saltyreef!

 

[Saltyreef]

I try my hardest but likely going to be parting with the momma to a serious collector...
I will be regrowing my collection with some smaller offspring

 

[nano reef]

I just picked won the bid on one on ebay listed as just a jawbreaker. it has the rough texture and looks like a lot of these but its just a baby so I am assuming it hasnt developed the colors yet. Is there any other type of jawbreaker it could be besides a poletti? I had a gorgeous electus that I stole for 100 bucks that melted! I have been trying to replace it but cant get near that price now and that was only about 4 months ago!

 

[reeftwincities]

Looks like an old school jawbreaker for sure but I'll let the more experienced owners chime in. Already has a speck of red, should be a good one! Nice find!

 

[nano reef]

Looks like an old school jawbreaker for sure but I'll let the more experienced owners chime in. Already has a speck of red, should be a good one! Nice find!

Thanks! To bad its not a wysiwyg! I think I paid 90. I participated in the auction because of a bozos birthday and saw this so went for it! I also got a sunkist for 50 and lots of other zoas. I get carried away on auctions! haha

 

[Polyp Punk]

can the green develope on the poletti breaker later on when it’s mature ? I jus bought one and I’m super pumped! It’s two babies that are half gold half red. Def a poletti but I don’t see any green on them yet. Was curious if it can show up later on?

 

[Saltyreef]

can the green develope on the poletti breaker later on when it’s mature ? I jus bought one and I’m super pumped! It’s two babies that are half gold half red. Def a poletti but I don’t see any green on them yet. Was curious if it can show up later on?

Yes they all develop green eventually.