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I wouldn’t say my tank has crashed but I would say it’s close to. My acans, torch and long tenticle plate look very good at the moment.
SPS not looking great!
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I wouldn’t say my tank has crashed but I would say it’s close to. My acans, torch and long tenticle plate look very good at the moment.
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Look dude, my major is in linguistics. I'm not in the medical field and I personally try to stay away from doctors as much as I can lol BUT, I believe that tanks across the board are different. Success isn't a single bullet. Also I was carbon dosing and everything paled and started dying even though my dumb API nitrate kit was saying No3 was barely falling. I was also doing it per instruction. Corals were reacting badly even to low light because the water was starving them and I was starving them with what turned out to be too low par.
If I'm malnourished (water) and I have to deal with low oxygen (light), it's a recipe for death obviously. 1 month later, after increasing intensity slowly and doing a large water change with no more addition of carbon, and feeding RR (I only have 3 smalls fish) everything reset and is improving.
Question @ Sarah, if a tank is being dosed with carbon and corals are dying and you move that coral to a tank that is stable and additionally doesn't dose carbon, wouldn't the coral naturally bounce back? When we go to the LFS, aren't we doing a 100% water/environment change? The only recommendation that is consistent is light intensity, not if we dose carbon or not IMHO. Ok, tired now. Lol
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I’m simply saying a difference in opinion doesn’t make one right and one wrong. Whoever it comes from. I would argue against a system crash. A system crash would suggest that ALL LPS and SPS are dying or have died. This is not the case for me. My LPS are doing just fine. It’s the SPS I’m having issues with. This doesn’t suggest a system crash but rather a specific SPS problem. Period.
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Multiple opinions are very good. It gives one perspective and it is foolish to choose a side. The reason I advocate more for CHAS in this case is simple, he has your brand light, he has a par meter and a reputable one at that, and he has been in a similar situation with your same or at least very similar conditions, and finally, you have someone who took his recommendations and has come forward to tell you if it works or not. In the end, it's your reef and your decision brother.
I'm glad your LPS are looking fine. Mine were actually the first to show improvement. I had a hammer and frogspawn that were bleached and I kept putting them more and more away from the light because I learned that if it's bleaching its too much light. I decided, what the heck, I'm gonna raise par and you'd never believe that instead of burning out, they started regaining color. I was like, what the heck!? Lol.
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I value CHAS and respect him for his help and his knowledge. I’ve never questioned anything he has suggested to me. I’ve followed it through. If I wasn’t confident I would have simply dismissed his suggestions but I haven’t.
As well as having a low nutrient system which is purely down to only having one fish and inverts I believe now I may have a nudi of some kind. On page 6 I posted a picture of something on my back wall and I’ve not seen it before. This could very well be a contribution towards the problem.
You’re right. You didn’t have a systematic crash, you had an sps specific crash. I never had any problems with my lps or softies either. The only reason why I tried nopox and gfo was to try and give my sps “ideal” numbers. Which it did, because I followed the instructions, but it slowly killed/stressed all my sps. So I decided to start over in mid August with water changes, alk, cal and mag only. I didn’t mean to offend you by calling it a general crash. Sorry
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You didn’t offend me Chas, honestly. I just had a difference of opinion.
I have a couple of those tooI value CHAS and respect him for his help and his knowledge. I’ve never questioned anything he has suggested to me. I’ve followed it through. If I wasn’t confident I would have simply dismissed his suggestions but I haven’t.
As well as having a low nutrient system which is purely down to only having one fish and inverts I believe now I may have a nudi of some kind. On page 6 I posted a picture of something on my back wall and I’ve not seen it before. This could very well be a contribution towards the problem.
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In your opinion is this a nudi of some kind? It’s actually a nice looking little guy with a pink colouration.
They look like snails to me with a developing shell. Mine only come out at night and work on the algae on the glass, vortechs and over flows. I’ve never seen them on the rocks or corals. In case y’all didn’t notice, I’m a bit of a night owl, and one think I love to do is take a blue flash light to the tank when the lights have gone off for a while. It’s pretty cool to see what happens when the fishies are sleeping.
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As you can see from these pictures I have taken today my SPS are not doing well.
My pocillopora has barely any polyp extension and looks like the polyps are in fact turning brown. My green digi has stripped by half just over night. Yesterday this was looking ‘normal’. I have a Montipora setosa which actually looks like it’s just fine! I see polyps. No changes in colouration. How can all be effected bar one?
My pocillopora has barely any polyp extension and looks like the polyps are in fact turning brown. My green digi has stripped by half just over night. Yesterday this was looking ‘normal’. I have a Montipora setosa which actually looks like it’s just fine! I see polyps. No changes in colouration. How can all be effected bar one?
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Question @ Sarah, if a tank is being dosed with carbon and corals are dying and you move that coral to a tank that is stable and additionally doesn't dose carbon, wouldn't the coral naturally bounce back? When we go to the LFS, aren't we doing a 100% water/environment change? The only recommendation that is consistent is light intensity, not if we dose carbon or not IMHO. Ok, tired now. Lol[/QUOTE]
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Well @Saintnovakai well I don’t know about you, but I have never just put a coral from one tank to another. I have always acclimated it and done it properly so it gets use to the water chemistry. As the op has said other corals lps and softies are doing fine, if they were starving then they would all starve because they have the same food source.
In a direct answer to your question, a coral can bounce back in any environment if it’s caught soon enough. The issue I have is carbon dosing (if you use it or not is irrelevant), but if you do use it, then needs to be treated as a medication. The point maybe I’m not clarifying is he has carbon dosed noprox correct. From his own admission he said yes, which it clearly states to continue even after you reach said limits. Sps are sensitive more than lps, etc so any slight change can cause them to do this. If he dosed too much one day or forgot one or who knows it could be a result. But stopping all together isn’t recommended even by the manufacturer.
In also aspect to your question, when we move a coral from a lfs to our tank, it’s 100% different. Lights, flow, maturity of tank, bacterial systems it’s a whole different ecosystem. Don’t we add our water to them and let them sit in our tanks to accilimate or slow drip? This is getting them use to our conditions so it’s not a shock. How many corals have you bought that were thriving in another tank but have died in yours? I have purchased several acros and they did great for a week and then they died. All my other corals were fine all my sps was fine this new one didn’t make it. So maybe any it’s better to say that any kind of change can stress and kill and sps coral.
@Dan Kyle have you tested for pests and or aefw per say? Do you have a picture with just normal day lights and no blues?
@saltyfilmfolks have always respected your insight what are your thoughts and @Brew12 ?
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Well @Saintnovakai well I don’t know about you, but I have never just put a coral from one tank to another. I have always acclimated it and done it properly so it gets use to the water chemistry. As the op has said other corals lps and softies are doing fine, if they were starving then they would all starve because they have the same food source.
In a direct answer to your question, a coral can bounce back in any environment if it’s caught soon enough. The issue I have is carbon dosing (if you use it or not is irrelevant), but if you do use it, then needs to be treated as a medication. The point maybe I’m not clarifying is he has carbon dosed noprox correct. From his own admission he said yes, which it clearly states to continue even after you reach said limits. Sps are sensitive more than lps, etc so any slight change can cause them to do this. If he dosed too much one day or forgot one or who knows it could be a result. But stopping all together isn’t recommended even by the manufacturer.
In also aspect to your question, when we move a coral from a lfs to our tank, it’s 100% different. Lights, flow, maturity of tank, bacterial systems it’s a whole different ecosystem. Don’t we add our water to them and let them sit in our tanks to accilimate or slow drip? This is getting them use to our conditions so it’s not a shock. How many corals have you bought that were thriving in another tank but have died in yours? I have purchased several acros and they did great for a week and then they died. All my other corals were fine all my sps was fine this new one didn’t make it. So maybe any it’s better to say that any kind of change can stress and kill and sps coral.
@Dan Kyle have you tested for pests and or aefw per say? Do you have a picture with just normal day lights and no blues?
@saltyfilmfolks have always respected your insight what are your thoughts and @Brew12 ?
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@Sarah24! A stupid question I know but how would one test for pests? Do you mean coral dipping? If so, no. I haven’t dipped any corals. At this point in time I don’t know whether that would be useful considering their state. Maybe I’m wrong?
I will take pictures with my D&D lense. Just give me a few moments.
I will take pictures with my D&D lense. Just give me a few moments.
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Yes I would absolutely dip every single sps and see if anything falls off in a bayer solution. I would look for bite marks from aefw. If you have never dipped your corals before that could easily be a problem as well. @redfishbluefish what would your thoughts say on this?
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Alright so I’ve used a different lense which gives clearer photos. I’ve also took a picture of my acans. They are doing fine but as you can see there is a fair bit of nuisance algae around them but apparently my PO4 levels are 0.01 so is this even possible?
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Alright so I’ve used a different lense which gives clearer photos. I’ve also took a picture of my acans. They are doing fine but as you can see there is a fair bit of nuisance algae around them but apparently my PO4 levels are 0.01 so is this even possible?
I’m curious if we can get #reefsquad to look and see if they can see anything. Honestly I can’t see the pics clear enough to say any thing definitive. But I will do all I can to try and help. If you have nuisance alage, I can’t imagjne that they are that low but have seen stranger things.
My nutrients are lower now with no gfo, no carbon dosing and no skimmer than they ever were with all 3. I just don’t think adding anything flammable to a reef tank can be good for it, especially sps, but that’s just my opinion.
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Sorry Sarah, I haven't been following this thread....but to answer your question about dipping, every coral I receive is very carefully examined, taken off the plug (unless it's plastic) and run through a dip and rinse, and then placed in a QT tank just to be sure. When you have an old established tank, you don't want to take chances.
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