SPS not looking great!

[Sarah24!]

My nutrients are lower now with no gfo, no carbon dosing and no skimmer than they ever were with all 3. I just don’t think adding anything flammable to a reef tank can be good for it, especially sps, but that’s just my opinion.

Hello,

I am not disagreeing with you on that, and need to make clear that if your able to do it with out that’s ideal. It’s one less thing to worry about. All I said was since it had been used and started it can have long effects if not used properly.

In my tank I have dosed because doing 75 gallon water changes a week well was insane. Plus it wasn’t dropping nitrates fast enough once I decided to try doing 20 ppm for nitrates as others have done for their tanks. My tank was use to 2-5 ppm and negativity reacted to me raising it. So to save the tank I used noprox to pull it down faster.

With that said, I now know it’s going to tske a long time of .5ml and even splitting that down to ween it off. But as I have tried to cut it to every other day, the nitrates in my tank increase too fast. Is this my preferred way no, I did this because I had lack of options at that time. Some have dosed noprox very successfully aka gfo and others have not.

Looking at his corals I have asked #reefsquad if they see any aefw bite marks ( I can’t tell in his pics) and suggested a bayer dip. The fact it’s only affecting sps means it could be something else. Lps and softies generally thrive better in dirtier water, if his was tooo clean, then in theory should have opposite affect.

Light intensity is tricky, for example with radions the ab schedule people love. Others it has been disappointing, and altered them. Turning lights up does help when they are healthy, but normally if they are stressed we turn them down. But yet again, there are agree to disagree on this method as well.

 

[Sarah24!]

Sorry Sarah, I haven't been following this thread....but to answer your question about dipping, every coral I receive is very carefully examined, taken off the plug (unless it's plastic) and run through a dip and rinse, and then placed in a QT tank just to be sure. When you have an old established tank, you don't want to take chances.

Hello,

Thanks for the help, I’m just thinking maybe he has some acro disease and or aefw. I’m terrible at seeing them in pics unless I zoom in etc. the nuisance alage he posted by his acans im not certain on.

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

A bayer dip could help @Dan Kyle
I don’t see any pest from the pics
I do think the last pic where the necrosis has spread from the base needs to be fragged. The parts with the exposed skeleton are dead. Cut it half a cm above the necrosis.

 

[KJ]

@KJ , #reefsquad , any idea what this is?

Look like Stomatella snail.

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

Look like Stomatella snail.

Yep
I concur
http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/SwSnails/Stomatella.php

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

Hello,

Thanks for the help, I’m just thinking maybe he has some acro disease and or aefw. I’m terrible at seeing them in pics unless I zoom in etc. the nuisance alage he posted by his acans im not certain on.

Can OP have aefw if there are no acros

 

[Sarah24!]

Look like Stomatella snail.

Hello,

In your opinion what would you suggest to the op since he is having issues with his sps. According to the op his lps and softies are doing fine but sps suffer. I can’t imagjne that his nutrients are too low because lps and Softies thrive better in water that is well dirtier to an extent.

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

Hello,

In your opinion what would you suggest to the op since he is having issues with his sps. According to the op his lps and softies are doing fine but sps suffer. I can’t imagjne that his nutrients are too low because lps and Softies thrive better in water that is well dirtier to an extent.

I don’t believe they’re suffering from low nutrients, in fact my nutrients are lower than his. I believe they are stresssed from nopox, like a poison and low light.

 

[Dan Kyle]

I don’t believe they’re suffering from low nutrients, in fact my nutrients are lower than his. I believe they are stresssed from nopox, like a poison and low light.

This very well could be the case. I know some people have said carry on dosing the NOPOX but smaller amounts and some have said just stop. I’ve followed your advice and just stopped. I really don’t want my system reliant on me dosing NOPOX. My intention initially was short term use because I had nitrates reading at 30 over a month ago. Since then they have dropped dramatically and my corals were actually doing better before I started dosing NOPOX. I will test my NO3 levels again in a short moment because yesterday they spiked which was surprising. They had literally went from 0.75 to 16 in a matter of a few of days. I’m not sure that was accurate.

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

This very well could be the case. I know some people have said carry on dosing the NOPOX but smaller amounts and some have said just stop. I’ve followed your advice and just stopped. I really don’t want my system reliant on me dosing NOPOX. My intention initially was short term use because I had nitrates reading at 30 over a month ago. Since then they have dropped dramatically and my corals were actually doing better before I started dosing NOPOX. I will test my NO3 levels again in a short moment because yesterday they spiked which was surprising. They had literally went from 0.75 to 16 in a matter of a few of days. I’m not sure that was accurate.

Yeah that was probably from the reef roids. I tested po4 a while back after adding some oyster feast and the test measured 0.2. The next day it was back to 0.03

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

Yeah that was probably from the reef roids. I tested po4 a while back after adding some oyster feast and the test measured 0.2. The next day it was back to 0.03

What did your corals look like when your no3 was 30?

 

[saltyhog]

NOPOX isn't a poison, it's just a combination of vinegar and ETOH. It can definitely cause problems (bacterial blooms, fast/radical changes in nutrients) but there are many possible culprits or combination of culprits.

@Dan Kyle what are your present parameters and what test kits are you using for each? What were your parameters a week ago, two weeks ago? Any recent changes in your lighting schedule/intensity? Any changes in your salt brand or anything else new you can think of.

The SPS you are having trouble with are some of the most tolerant there are. Pocillipora is a dreaded weed in some tanks (especially the neon green variety)

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

NOPOX isn't a poison, it's just a combination of vinegar and ETOH. It can definitely cause problems (bacterial blooms, fast/radical changes in nutrients). There are many possible culprits or combination of culprits.

@Dan Kyle what are your present parameters and what test kits are you using for each? What were your parameters a week ago, two weeks ago? Any recent changes in your lighting schedule/intensity? Any changes in your salt brand or anything else new you can think of.

The SPS you are having trouble with are some of the most tolerant there are. Pocillipora is a dreaded weed in some tanks (especially the neon green variety)

“Like” a poison. I’ve had nothing but problems when using nopox. It did bring my nutrients down, but it lowered sps health as well. And Yes I followed the instructions. Everything turned around when I stopped.

 

[Dan Kyle]

What did your corals look like when your no3 was 30?

They were looking just fine. They had great polyp extension and I thought all was doing great. Having read about NO3 and PO4 with so many people saying keep NO3 <5 and PO4 <0.1 I thought ah right, I’ll get on top it. But here we are today, achieved the numbers but lost the corals.

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

They were looking just fine. They had great polyp extension and I thought all was doing great. Having read about NO3 and PO4 with so many people saying keep NO3 <5 and PO4 <0.1 I thought ah right, I’ll get on top it. But here we are today, achieved the numbers but lost the corals.

Case closed

 

[Dan Kyle]

Case closed

Exactly what I thought to be honest.

 

[Dan Kyle]

NOPOX isn't a poison, it's just a combination of vinegar and ETOH. It can definitely cause problems (bacterial blooms, fast/radical changes in nutrients) but there are many possible culprits or combination of culprits.

@Dan Kyle what are your present parameters and what test kits are you using for each? What were your parameters a week ago, two weeks ago? Any recent changes in your lighting schedule/intensity? Any changes in your salt brand or anything else new you can think of.

The SPS you are having trouble with are some of the most tolerant there are. Pocillipora is a dreaded weed in some tanks (especially the neon green variety)

I did water tests yesterday. All with Red Sea.

SG: 1.026
PH: 8.4
NO3: 16 (not accurate, fed tank an hour before)
PO4: 0.01
Alk: 8.4
Cal: 420

 

[saltyhog]

They were looking just fine. They had great polyp extension and I thought all was doing great. Having read about NO3 and PO4 with so many people saying keep NO3 <5 and PO4 <0.1 I thought ah right, I’ll get on top it. But here we are today, achieved the numbers but lost the corals.

I did water tests yesterday. All with Red Sea.

SG: 1.026
PH: 8.4
NO3: 16 (not accurate, fed tank an hour before)
PO4: 0.01
Alk: 8.4
Cal: 420

Your PO4 is too low. I wouldn't let it get below 0.04.

Again, what were your readings a week ago? Two weeks ago? 1 month ago?

Sometimes it's not the number (there are spectacular tanks with ULNS and many with very high NO3 and PO4) but how fast and how you got there. There are many anecdotal stories of people having great success with carbon dosing and others with problems seemingly caused by it. Neither prove cause and effect.

 

[Dan Kyle]

Your PO4 is too low. I wouldn't let it get below 0.04.

Again, what were your readings a week ago? Two weeks ago? 1 month ago?

Sometimes it's not the number (there are spectacular tanks with ULNS and many with very high NO3 and PO4) but how fast and how you got there. There are many anecdotal stories of people having great success with carbon dosing and others with problems seemingly caused by it. Neither prove cause and effect.

I don’t have any results from two weeks ago to a month. Every time I do water tests I compare to previous and update. All was looking good. The highest my PO4 has been was 0.03 but NOPOX has knocked it down further. I also run a chaeto reactor so that’s probably made a dent. The highest my NO3 has been was 30. It went to 12 a week after dosing NOPOX and then I adjusted the dose which bought my levels down from 12 to 0.75 over a week later. I haven’t dosed NOPOX since making this thread and my nitrates have gone up. I just got a reading of 16 once again. My skimmer has been offline also.

 

[Dan Kyle]

Also if my PO4 levels are true and 0.01 why do I have little nuisance algae? Surely that would be more evident in a higher nutrient tank. API says my PO4 is at 0.03 and Red Sea says it’s 0.01. I don’t like API personally but the shop I use when I want a second opinion, they use API.