Treatment options for cyano?

[Subsea]

There’s definitely a sense of ego when it comes to using chemicals, but hydrogen peroxide is very safe and was tested by the experts (Twilliard, etc)

Can you link a research paper that documents this? Also, who is Twilliard?

 

[Sean Clark]

I know this is not the best analogy, but let me try to explain the ideology in a different way.
Imagine taking a coral from 100 par and putting a coral under 3000 par for an hour vs. putting the same coral under 1000 par for 72 hours. Which do you think would have more detrimental effects?

 

[Subsea]

But that was a three day dosing regime. correct?

Marcelo Simon[/USER] already has dead pods after one day. I suggest you reevaluate your regime.

 

[Sean Clark]

@Marcelo Simon already has dead pods after one day. I suggest you reevaluate your regime.

I will let @Marcelo Simon evaluate their own success. I am not conveying that your methodology is wrong or trying to get you to change your methods. We all have different tanks. A pod in the sock does not a dead pod make.

 

[Miami Reef]

When did @Marcelo Simon mention his pods died? All I see is that he was worried about them.

I really don’t think a copepods will die with h2O2 dosing. Aeration and light breaks it down pretty quickly.

Even if the majority of pods do die, a little bit left will quickly bounce back. Dosing pods for a mandarin is helpful while the pods regain their footing if the pods really were decimated with h2O2.

Cyano growing over corals is no good. It’s definitely a benefit/risk situation.

 

[Sean Clark]

When did @Marcelo Simon mention his pods died? All I see is that he was worried about them.

I really don’t think a copepods will die with h2O2 dosing. Aeration and light breaks it down pretty quickly.

Even if the majority of pods do die, a little bit left will quickly bounce back. Dosing pods for a mandarin is helpful while the pods regain their footing if the pods really were decimated with h2O2.

Cyano growing over corals is no good. It’s definitely a benefit/risk situation.

They said it here:

I have a mandarin and I’m a bit worried about my pod population might buy a bottle to be safe. I had a ton everywhere saw a lot dead in my sock but could just be from skimmer wish the skimmer didn’t overflow to have a better test.

 

[Miami Reef]

They said it here:

Ah, I see.

Definitely purchase some bottles of pods for the mandarin in the case that the pods did die.

 

[Subsea]

When did @Marcelo Simon mention his pods died? All I see is that he was worried about them.

I really don’t think a copepods will die with h2O2 dosing. Aeration and light breaks it down pretty quickly.

Even if the majority of pods do die, a little bit left will quickly bounce back. Dosing pods for a mandarin is helpful while the pods regain their footing if the pods really were decimated with h2O2.

Cyano growing over corals is no good. It’s definitely a benefit/risk situation.

Overacting because of Cynobacteria can be much more detrimental than a little bit of red slime. I never saw a full tank shot to evaluate degree of infestation. In my 50 years of Reefing, ChemiClean works well as an in tank treatment for Cynobacteria.

European reefers have used peroxide for many years, but it is very much metered with an oxygenator.

 

[Sean Clark]

Overacting because of Cynobacteria can be much more detrimental than a little bit of red slime. I never saw a full tank shot to evaluate degree of infestation.

This part of this post here mad me know that there was a lot of Cyano in the system:

Tank is cloudy with a red tint to it (very light tint of reddish)

We will see as the updates come in, hopefully with pics.

 

[Subsea]

This part of this post here mad me know that there was a lot of Cyano in the system:

We will see as the updates come in, hopefully with pics.

If abundant cyno was in tank, it should have been vacuumed out as a standard on going water change regime, not dosed first.

 

[Subsea]

@Miami Reef

“I really don’t think a copepods will die with h2O2 dosing. Aeration and light breaks it down pretty quickly.”

It really depends on volume of dose. Copepods & amphipods are very sensitive to peroxide. While peroxide breaks down quickly, it’s the initial dose that kills them, before it brakes down.

 

[thatmanMIKEson]

If abundant cyno was in tank, it should have been vacuumed out as a standard on going water change regime, not dosed first.

Of course..

 

[CourtNjoeZreef]

24 hours after the dose and what I have is a mostly clean tank. @vetteguy53081 I messed up and added directly to the display. I didn't think anything of it as I dip corals in peroxide before they enter the system coral rx & witch hazel. Thus far the only casualties have been a cleaner shrimp. I'm assuming it took a big gulp of it however it took at least 20 hours so I feel absolutely terrible about that.

I have a few that are under stress still. Xenia, a plate thing idk the name, and my micro (gonipora?) sorry the names befuddle me. The flip side is the rock work is clear of the cyano and most of the sand bed is also clear.

I think I have a flow issue the cyano that is still here is at the base of the rock work.

I'm after this cyano because in 48 hours it covered my tank. I believe all the things must exist to some level.

My take away from this experiment is this is a band aid fix or a hammer of sorts to get the huge outbreak under control. I had a few maintenance issues creep up that weren't visible to me until I took my sump apart to replace a pump (power outage fried my syncra sdc 6.0 the replacement finally came this weekend) the pump I had in its place is considerably weaker so that potentially had a bit to do with this. I have another powerhead coming to add another direction of turbulence.

I think I need to re-evaluate some coral placements so that I can turn up my gyres a bit more they are operating around 50% average with a varied flow but I have some lps that really hate when it kicks up.

I hope the gentleman that went all in doesn't have any issues on my behalf. I didn't feel comfortable putting that much in at once and am honestly glad I cut the dose back.

I have added some DR. Tim's eco balance (I have it on hand) and will be adding the nitrifying bacteria tomorrow.

I attached photos of the distressed corals and a short video of the tank as its running now.

 

[CourtNjoeZreef]

any suggestions for placement would be awesome as well. I cant find the photo i had of my par numbers but the top of the rock work in the middle is 180-220 my light is centered over the tank. the floor is less then 100. and it tapers off around it outward as you can imagine

 

[vetteguy53081]

any suggestions for placement would be awesome as well. I cant find the photo i had of my par numbers but the top of the rock work in the middle is 180-220 my light is centered over the tank. the floor is less then 100. and it tapers off around it outward as you can imagine

Goniopora - just above the sandbed
Mushroom - ok where its at
Zoa and Xenia- lower third - Elevate

All these in pics- Moderate light and water flow and feed mysis shrimp 2-3X per week
Assure phosphates not elevated

 

[Kmst80]

24 hours after the dose and what I have is a mostly clean tank. @vetteguy53081 I messed up and added directly to the display. I didn't think anything of it as I dip corals in peroxide before they enter the system coral rx & witch hazel. Thus far the only casualties have been a cleaner shrimp. I'm assuming it took a big gulp of it however it took at least 20 hours so I feel absolutely terrible about that.

I have a few that are under stress still. Xenia, a plate thing idk the name, and my micro (gonipora?) sorry the names befuddle me. The flip side is the rock work is clear of the cyano and most of the sand bed is also clear.

I think I have a flow issue the cyano that is still here is at the base of the rock work.

I'm after this cyano because in 48 hours it covered my tank. I believe all the things must exist to some level.

My take away from this experiment is this is a band aid fix or a hammer of sorts to get the huge outbreak under control. I had a few maintenance issues creep up that weren't visible to me until I took my sump apart to replace a pump (power outage fried my syncra sdc 6.0 the replacement finally came this weekend) the pump I had in its place is considerably weaker so that potentially had a bit to do with this. I have another powerhead coming to add another direction of turbulence.

I think I need to re-evaluate some coral placements so that I can turn up my gyres a bit more they are operating around 50% average with a varied flow but I have some lps that really hate when it kicks up.

I hope the gentleman that went all in doesn't have any issues on my behalf. I didn't feel comfortable putting that much in at once and am honestly glad I cut the dose back.

I have added some DR. Tim's eco balance (I have it on hand) and will be adding the nitrifying bacteria tomorrow.

I attached photos of the distressed corals and a short video of the tank as its running now.

I've had cyano for month now, first the red/Brown one, now the green one. I sucked it up, stirred it up, turned down lights, dosed phyto...nothing helped.
Now I've got a bristletooth tang for a month and between him and the coral beauty there is not much left of it.

 

[Sean Clark]

If abundant cyno was in tank, it should have been vacuumed out as a standard on going water change regime, not dosed first.

Absolutely.

24 hours after the dose and what I have is a mostly clean tank. @vetteguy53081 I messed up and added directly to the display. I didn't think anything of it as I dip corals in peroxide before they enter the system coral rx & witch hazel. Thus far the only casualties have been a cleaner shrimp. I'm assuming it took a big gulp of it however it took at least 20 hours so I feel absolutely terrible about that.

I have a few that are under stress still. Xenia, a plate thing idk the name, and my micro (gonipora?) sorry the names befuddle me. The flip side is the rock work is clear of the cyano and most of the sand bed is also clear.

I think I have a flow issue the cyano that is still here is at the base of the rock work.

I'm after this cyano because in 48 hours it covered my tank. I believe all the things must exist to some level.

My take away from this experiment is this is a band aid fix or a hammer of sorts to get the huge outbreak under control. I had a few maintenance issues creep up that weren't visible to me until I took my sump apart to replace a pump (power outage fried my syncra sdc 6.0 the replacement finally came this weekend) the pump I had in its place is considerably weaker so that potentially had a bit to do with this. I have another powerhead coming to add another direction of turbulence.

I think I need to re-evaluate some coral placements so that I can turn up my gyres a bit more they are operating around 50% average with a varied flow but I have some lps that really hate when it kicks up.

I hope the gentleman that went all in doesn't have any issues on my behalf. I didn't feel comfortable putting that much in at once and am honestly glad I cut the dose back.

I have added some DR. Tim's eco balance (I have it on hand) and will be adding the nitrifying bacteria tomorrow.

I attached photos of the distressed corals and a short video of the tank as its running now.

You did a half dose correct? Thank you for the photos. Do you have any before? Your cleaner shrimp loss may have been from the dosing into the the display but I can not say for sure.

 

[CourtNjoeZreef]

Absolutely.

You did a half dose correct? Thank you for the photos. Do you have any before? Your cleaner shrimp loss may have been from the dosing into the the display but I can not say for sure.

The pictures from the original post are of my tank. I don't have any others unfortunately but it was like a mat over my zoas and mushrooms and hanging off the sps. so I felt I needed to do something.

I went with 1.5ML/g

I also vacuumed out the heavy mats that formed over the corals. I can only store 30g at a time of mixed salt water so I am limited in how much siphoning I can do at a time

 

[Sean Clark]

The pictures from the original post are of my tank. I don't have any others unfortunately but it was like a mat over my zoas and mushrooms and hanging off the sps. so I felt I needed to do something.

I went with 1.5ML/g

I also vacuumed out the heavy mats that formed over the corals. I can only store 30g at a time of mixed salt water so I am limited in how much siphoning I can do at a time

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Simon Reefing]

here are some pictures from now I will try and find some before pictures. Xenia look bad most corals still closed after 2 25 gallon water changes. Cloudiness and smell are gone after adding carbon. Cyano was still present durning last water change at night. Saw 2 pods last night way less then normal but at least I saw a few alive. I don’t want to judge this to early but if I’m honest with everyone part of me really wishes I never did this. I never had this affect with chemiclean I choose to go this route because it seemed like it would be less chemicals and a bit more natural way. I don’t want to say if I regret it or not fully yet I want to see how my corals bounce back first.

hammer- never affected really
Goni- coming back a little
Mushrooms- coming back a little
Zoa- some are open most are ticked
Sps- polyps are fully extended today
Rock flower- never affected
Bubble coral (pearl)- never affected
Xenia- looks awful
leather- looks fine
Coral next to leather forgot name but softie kind of like Xenia not happy either

all of these corals have been exploding in coral growth. I always get the smallest frag to watch it grow.


refugium- whiteish rotated and looks a bit better
Pods- haven’t seen as many as I normally do well check tonight though once lights have been down for a while
Snails- noticed 2 snails did not make it. I have a v. puffer but I have never seen him attack 2 snail back to back. I truly believe it was the Hydrogen but I can’t be certain.