Vibrant by UWC testing

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

twilliard said:
that is a dead giveaway when first opened
I can not go into the purpose I just state my findings.
SG of 1.037.. ? Sodium
Time to reduce this

I can confirm the pH was around there as well for me. I will check the S when I get home later. I didn't think to check that before.

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

twilliard said:
Ok so I can not come up to the conclusion that this is a carbon source.
8 oz bottle contains
.04 oz of vinegar
.08 oz aspartic acid
dosed 1@10 every 7 days
Eucalyptus oil is present
PH value of 7.4
0 alcohol content
Still working with this..

Yeah, the carbon content is very little compared to the dosage done. I'm still not sure what it's full purpose is for.

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

And salt of some type would explain this possibly. I got some on top of a slide

So here it is with the water evaporated

https://flic.kr/p/PXCaQ8

https://flic.kr/p/PJDfa3

I wasn't sure what to make of it at the time and if it was something I did to contaminate it and was going to come back to test it. So never mentioned it before.

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

ReefBum said:
@Randy Holmes-Farley, is it also possible that cyano can be jump started by the die off of algae that results from dosing Vibrant? Or do you think a bad case after dosing Vibrant is only a result of what you said.....an inability of the Vibrant bacteria to out compete the cyano?

Cyanobacteria can take advantage of many things. [emoji4]

People with very mature tanks and very low nutrients and high flow could still get some cyano growth.

twilliard · Dec 20, 2016

No detected NaCl crystals present in vibrant using reduction
Jason did you reduce 100%?

You beat me to it!

twilliard · Dec 20, 2016

I reduced 50ml
Peculiar it smells like agar

ReefBum · Dec 20, 2016

jason2459 said:
Cyanobacteria can take advantage of many things. [emoji4]

People with very mature tanks and very low nutrients and high flow could still get some cyano growth.

True.....my key question is whether one should stop dosing Vibrant when a large cyano outbreak occurs during dosing.....or too keep dosing with the hopes the cyano will eventually lose out. This phenomenon seems to be happening to a lot of folks.

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

twilliard said:
No detected NaCl crystals present in vibrant using reduction
Jason did you reduce 100%?

You beat me to it!

Not sure what kind of salt or source. It may have been from the sample itself which is why I never mentioned it. But if the S is elevated that would make sense why I saw that.

It would have been a very small amount that escaped to the top of the slide. Maybe .01-.02ish ml. Then evaporated.

Brew12 · Dec 20, 2016

ReefBum said:
True.....my key question is whether one should stop dosing Vibrant when a large cyano outbreak occurs during dosing.....or too keep dosing with the hopes the cyano will eventually lose out.

I was dosing both Vibrant and H2O2 at the same time. I'm fairly convinced the H2O2 was killing the cyano but the Vibrant was fueling it's recovery. After around 8 days I stopped using both and am monitoring the results. It's been 2 days and I can't see any difference between when I was adding both and when I stopped using both.

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

ReefBum said:
True.....my key question is whether one should stop dosing Vibrant when a large cyano outbreak occurs during dosing.....or too keep dosing with the hopes the cyano will eventually lose out. This phenomenon seems to be happening to a lot of folks.

Personally? I wouldn't have started dosing vibrant or any other bacteria in a bottle to fight nuisances like algae or cyanobacteria.

But if going the bacteria in a bottle route I would stick to it and so the normal recommended stuff when confronting those problems.

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

twilliard said:
Ok so I can not come up to the conclusion that this is a carbon source.
8 oz bottle contains
.04 oz of vinegar
.08 oz aspartic acid
dosed 1@10 every 7 days
Eucalyptus oil is present
PH value of 7.4
0 alcohol content
Still working with this..

Hmm, an oil would explain why the cover slip with just the vibrant was very "slippery" something I made note of before.

Someone else also asked if a film formed on top of the water when added. I didn't notice any but may revisit that again with more control.

twilliard · Dec 20, 2016

Ok here it is!
When reduced down to 100% we have a large amount of, yup, glucose

I am trying to figure out volume but it is in the bottom of a large beaker.

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

Awesome which cyanobacteria would love.

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

So that can be clumped in with the ingredient "other"

becks · Dec 20, 2016

So if it contains lots of products that will fuel cyano how can it defeat it?

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

becks said:
So if it contains lots of products that will fuel cyano how can it defeat it?

Well to be fair it will fuel many things and many kinds of bacteria. Keep siphoning off the types you don't want.

saltyfilmfolks · Dec 20, 2016

becks said:
So if it contains lots of products that will fuel cyano how can it defeat it?

jason2459 said:
Well to be fair it will fuel many things and many kinds of bacteria. Keep siphoning off the types you don't want.

its carbon dosing. so like vodka you'll see a rush of cyano until the nutrints get lower and the cyano fades.

jason2459 · Dec 20, 2016

I'm still not convinced it's enough of a carbon source to see the quick changes experienced by myself and others. But I could be wrong. I believe its something else at play or in addition to.