Will Microalgae Reactor help with pH swings at night.

So if that is the case, would measuring Cal reactor and Display tank with 2 different probes cause the ground loop interference, since the two are in the same body of water.
Would double junction probes solve the problem?

I do not know whether two electrodes will always cause an issue because it depends on how the probes are grounded and how the meters deal with it.

Double junction electrodes do not eliminate the issue. The solutions are more complicated:

https://www.hach.com/cms-portals/ha...ign-Overcomes-Common-pH-Sensor-Challenges.pdf
 
So after cleaning and calibrating, lights are now at 50% I get DT 7.81 and sump 7.88. Pretty off.

Off of what? Those values are very typical. Ignore the kit. :)
 
The apex recorded your lowest set point 7 and highest 10 while you were calibrating.

The stored data does not differentiate between measurements taken while calibrating vs actual in tank ph measurements.

Perhaps one should disconnect from the net when doing calibration or apex should be smart enough to not report when in calibration mode. I'm surprised Neptune peeps didnt think of that.
 
Off of what? Those values are very typical. Ignore the kit. :)
I guess I expect too much correlation, they are practically 1.0 off in my mind and not very accurate. I may still purchase a new probe and see where that puts me. The numbers, even off one another, are much better than 7.7
 
Ok, I have to plead ignorance here. I always meant 7.71 not 7.1 when discussing my pH. I always type faster than the brain goes so now I see where everyone kept saying 7.7, in my dumb brain I kept thinking you were saying 7.77 verses I was seeing 7.70.
 
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Nice tank!
 
Ok, I have to plead ignorance here. I always meant 7.71 not 7.1 when discussing my pH. I always type faster than the brain goes so now I see where everyone kept saying 7.7, in my dumb brain I kept thinking you were saying 7.77 verses I was seeing 7.70.

OK, we are good now. :)

Don't expect too much precision from a hobby pH meter calibrated by hand with two fluids, and the pH in the main tank isn't necessarily going to match the sump.
 
OK, we are good now. :)

Don't expect too much precision from a hobby pH meter calibrated by hand with two fluids, and the pH in the main tank isn't necessarily going to match the sump.
Starting to see that. Back to thinking about an algae reactor where we started with all this. Regardless of the number the swings I think are not good for the reef.
 
Ok, I have to plead ignorance here. I always meant 7.71 not 7.1 when discussing my pH. I always type faster than the brain goes so now I see where everyone kept saying 7.7, in my dumb brain I kept thinking you were saying 7.77 verses I was seeing 7.70.
Not a big deal. We were gonna have fun with it until you realized :D
 
I guess I've been very lucky with my Ph probes. I have 2 Milwaukee Ph monitors, with both probes right next to each other in the DT. One probe is 3 years old (the original) and the other is a double junction from BRS. I have gone over a year without calibrating each one and when recalibrated, they was accurate anyway.

I had 1 monitor for the DT and 1 for the QT tank. Since my QT isn't setup right now, I have both probes on the main tank. But I like the idea of 2 Ph monitors on the same tank so they verify each other.

Just out of curiosity, does Neptune use BNC connectors for their probe connection?
 
Whew, so glad the 7.1 vs. 7.7 thing got figured out. ;)

Your tank looks fantastic, enjoy it. We all have things we want to undo, redo, or move around. But man, It looks great. You’re obviously doing many things right.

When I went through the raising PH challenge, I really enjoyed the process and found it rewarding. You probably will also. And I believe it’s very much worth it for the corals.

Having algae and running opposite light schedule will result in the algae consuming CO2 at night, thus helping to reduce the PH swing. Your tank will take a while to get used to having algae, like a restabilization . I’ve done this a few times, and at first the result I have seen is the algae dies back for a while, and then when things figure it out, it will take off. All I’m saying is, just be prepared for a small transition period. I never saw impact to the tank itself. You will also want to consider iron and iodine dosing to encourage algae growth. Since you’re nutrients are already low, you might want to look at reducing other nutrient export methods to compensate for what the algae will consume. For example, I dry skim with my protein skimmer.

You can also look at other ways to increase PH overall, airline for the skimmer ran outside, 2 part or other alk/calcium supplements that have greater impact on PH, CO2 scrubber, etc.

For example on my tank I do it all. Skimmer airline ran outside, I use kalk for alk/calcium supplement, have a huge chaeto fuge with powerful algae light ran on opposite schedule, in the winter i add CO2 scrubber on protein skimmer line, in summer windows are open 24/7. My current average PH is 8.36, but remember my windows are open 24/7 during summer. In the winter when the house is closed up, the numbers drop.
 
Whew, so glad the 7.1 vs. 7.7 thing got figured out. ;)

Your tank looks fantastic, enjoy it. We all have things we want to undo, redo, or move around. But man, It looks great. You’re obviously doing many things right.

When I went through the raising PH challenge, I really enjoyed the process and found it rewarding. You probably will also. And I believe it’s very much worth it for the corals.

Having algae and running opposite light schedule will result in the algae consuming CO2 at night, thus helping to reduce the PH swing. Your tank will take a while to get used to having algae, like a restabilization . I’ve done this a few times, and at first the result I have seen is the algae dies back for a while, and then when things figure it out, it will take off. All I’m saying is, just be prepared for a small transition period. I never saw impact to the tank itself. You will also want to consider iron and iodine dosing to encourage algae growth. Since you’re nutrients are already low, you might want to look at reducing other nutrient export methods to compensate for what the algae will consume. For example, I dry skim with my protein skimmer.

You can also look at other ways to increase PH overall, airline for the skimmer ran outside, 2 part or other alk/calcium supplements that have greater impact on PH, CO2 scrubber, etc.

For example on my tank I do it all. Skimmer airline ran outside, I use kalk for alk/calcium supplement, have a huge chaeto fuge with powerful algae light ran on opposite schedule, in the winter i add CO2 scrubber on protein skimmer line, in summer windows are open 24/7. My current average PH is 8.36, but remember my windows are open 24/7 during summer. In the winter when the house is closed up, the numbers drop.
Thanks for the feedback. Yes I do have CO2 scrubber on my skimmer. Tried running a line outside but didn’t seem to make a difference. I think I’ll open the bank and get an algae reactor to see if that helps. I will post back the results. I dose Vinegar so I can easily lighten that up if needed for the algae.
 
Thanks for the feedback. Yes I do have CO2 scrubber on my skimmer. Tried running a line outside but didn’t seem to make a difference. I think I’ll open the bank and get an algae reactor to see if that helps. I will post back the results. I dose Vinegar so I can easily lighten that up if needed for the algae.

Now that we have the pH of 7.1 situation resolved....yes, algae reactor should stabilize your swings.
 
My current average PH is 8.36, but remember my windows are open 24/7 during summer. In the winter when the house is closed up, the numbers drop.

Where do you live that you have windows open 24/7 in the summer? With super hot, super humid summers we have very few days we can open windows in New York.

On the opposite end of spectrum. I remember when I lived in apartment building few years back the heat was so insane from the radiators, we always had our living room window open in the winter, yes 24/7 in the winter. The tank always run between 81-82, now I'm having problems keeping it between 77-78 with 2 heaters in the summer and 3 in the winter...but that's off topic
 
Ermm. Why is your ORP so high. That's a crazy reading.

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I have the probe in but don’t really use it. I dont ever calibrate it either. It does trend up and down opposite with pH and the higher it gets some days the lower pH is. My guess is the more CO2 in the water the higher ORP???
 
I have the probe in but don’t really use it. I dont ever calibrate it either. It does trend up and down opposite with pH and the higher it gets some days the lower pH is. My guess is the more CO2 in the water the higher ORP???

It's not CO2, it is a direct effect of H+ (pH). ORP and pH are inversely related.
 
It's not CO2, it is a direct effect of H+ (pH). ORP and pH are inversely related.
So another reason to assume the low pH on both probes are correct. After cal yesterday they read 7.72 and 7.76 this morning before lights on.
 

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