Your thoughts on wild caught stuff.

[Tamberav]

Yes but I would choose captive bred if available

 

[Obsessed with fish]

And yet every time that you go to eat fish or shrimp etc ... you are very likely eating wild caught stuff.

When I was in the Philippines I had a friend that would buy fish from the fisherman's nets for a few pesos, for his aquarium. In the west we are insulated from the realities of the things that we eat. I have a vegan friend from Mexico and she chuckles when a new vegan comes on the boards where she is at and thinks that the meat industry is going to shut down now that the person has gone vegan.

Puppy mills exist. Evil is present in this world, curiously no amount of efforts seem to be able to stamp it out. Sadly those efforts often become the evil that they are so desperately trying to stop.

Do what you think is right. Don't worry about what others are doing and try to be the change you want. I think that is a far better perscription for making things better than trying to feel better by small outward acts that will utimately be used for evil.

I'm vegaterian, I don't eat any form of meat.

 

[Obsessed with fish]

are you implying that purchasing "wild caught" means an individual "doesnt care about the environment"?

correlation does not equal causation, you're making a blanket statement and extrapolating data you have no way of quantifying.

you think simply because something is captive bred it's "better" for the environment? Have you factored in carbon footprint of the operation producing these captive bred animals. Pollution. Transport. Chemical run off. Facility square footage taking up land etc. Define "care about the environment"...

Even more carbon 14 is put into the air from wild caught fish, think about the boat that would have to carry the fish, catching fish causes lots of pollution.

 

[Obsessed with fish]

Where did you get this number?

From the poll

 

[Obsessed with fish]

And yet every time that you go to eat fish or shrimp etc ... you are very likely eating wild caught stuff.

When I was in the Philippines I had a friend that would buy fish from the fisherman's nets for a few pesos, for his aquarium. In the west we are insulated from the realities of the things that we eat. I have a vegan friend from Mexico and she chuckles when a new vegan comes on the boards where she is at and thinks that the meat industry is going to shut down now that the person has gone vegan.

Puppy mills exist. Evil is present in this world, curiously no amount of efforts seem to be able to stamp it out. Sadly those efforts often become the evil that they are so desperately trying to stop.

Do what you think is right. Don't worry about what others are doing and try to be the change you want. I think that is a far better perscription for making things better than trying to feel better by small outward acts that will utimately be used for evil.

And your right, I should just do what I thinks right.

 

[areefer01]

Not my idea as another fellow hobbyist talked about it but I wish we would move the hobby towards a order to collect and fulfil instead of our current grocery store purchase. Only exception would be for captive raised and/or bred such as provided by Biota, Bali, and Ora. Everything else you submit a request for it to be collected. You know source of origin, date collected, and shipped directly to your door. Overall healthier fish in theory.

Yes, this would remove all fish from LFS and potentially middle business but this is where a lot of the fatalities and diseases could be. LFS can self sustain by aquaculture corals and dry goods. No reason for any captive collected corals unless it is too part of a restoration project (like Biota). We have enough corals within our displays that can be treated like aquaculture and spread out.

We need to adapt and change if this hobby is to prevail.

 

[bnord]

83% of reefers dont care about the environment

there is not a thumbs down emoji

contribute to a reef restoration program each time you buy a wild caught, if that makes you feel a better balance would be in place

Hol Chan Preserve is my choice

 

[Lyss]

LOL this is where the 83% came from. There are only 46 votes!

 

[HuduVudu]

I'm vegaterian, I don't eat any form of meat.

I can almost guarntee that there is some form of animal product in your food. Unless you grow and cook it yourself you will probably being eating some form of animal.

I don't know why you made this post.

If it is a virtue signal then that says more about you than the people you are trying to throw under the bus. If you are worried about animal welfare then get rid of all your pets and quietly live out your life.

I don't get this need to tell the world how sanctimonious one is. It doesn't come across well.

 

[Lyss]

Even more carbon 14 is put into the air from wild caught fish, think about the boat that would have to carry the fish, catching fish causes lots of pollution.

As with everything, there are economic consequences to banning fish from being wild caught, and those need a solution. Also farming fish can be wildly unsustainable and present its own environmental challenges. I wish it was all as simple as stopping aquarists from being able to purchase wild-caught fish.

 

[HuduVudu]

Even more carbon 14 is put into the air from wild caught fish, think about the boat that would have to carry the fish, catching fish causes lots of pollution.

This makes you look even weaker. The first rule of holes is to put down the shovel.

Carbon-14 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jdadams]

Even more carbon 14 is put into the air from wild caught fish, think about the boat that would have to carry the fish, catching fish causes lots of pollution.

Is your car electric? Do you recycle rain water for all your water needs in your home? Is your house fully powered only by solar panels?

 

[areefer01]

As with everything, there are economic consequences to banning fish from being wild caught, and those need a solution. Also farming fish can be wildly unsustainable and present its own environmental challenges. I wish it was all as simple as stopping aquarists from being able to purchase wild-caught fish.

This is true. However there is nothing stopping new hobbyists, or inexperienced hobbyists, or hobbyists who don't care, from buying animals they shouldn't be purchasing. We can all look at posts here and on other social media platforms whereas someone asks a question about care or requirements "after" the purchase. Search of flame scallop for just one example.

Our hobby has no checks or balances or litmus test showing we can care for animals that are available today. And thus the government(s) taking the ball into their own hands since we can't seem to agree on our own. Ban everything. If we don't want the global ban then we collectively need to do something.

And that is supporting captive raised and bred first and foremost no matter what the price is. Only buy aquaculture corals. Then we can work through the change aspect and get our house in order before the house of cards tumbles down on us.

 

[HuduVudu]

Is your car electric? Do you recycle rain water for all your water needs in your home? Is your house fully powered only by solar panels?

Please don't do this.

I live in a rural TX city. I recycle rain water for my top off. I wished I could afford a electric car that couldn't be shut off at the whims of an autocrate. I would love to see small shops that make custom electric cars. I am planning to move to land and I hope to have solar and wind powered home. Because I saw what happened when some truckers offended their government.

Life is nuanced. Painting with a broad brush often has very unintended consquences.

EDIT: I am also vegetarian (not vegan).

 

[Danroo]

I mean if this post was about saving the environment, reefers don’t really put even a dent compared to all the companies produce in a day. The only way to care about the environment is to hold these big corporations accountable.

reference:

 

[Obsessed with fish]

I can almost guarntee that there is some form of animal product in your food. Unless you grow and cook it yourself you will probably being eating some form of animal.

I don't know why you made this post.

If it is a virtue signal then that says more about you than the people you are trying to throw under the bus. If you are worried about animal welfare then get rid of all your pets and quietly live out your life.

I don't get this need to tell the world how sanctimonious one is. It doesn't come across well.

I said that because you were talking about how I might eat fish every day.

 

[Jdadams]

Please don't do this.

I live in a rural TX city. I recycle rain water for my top off. I wished I could afford a electric car that couldn't be shut off at the whims of an autocrate. I would love to see small shops that make custom electric cars. I am planning to move to land and I hope to have solar and wind powered home. Because I saw what happened when some truckers offended their government.

Life is nuanced. Painting with a broad brush often has very unintended consquences.

EDIT: I am also vegetarian (not vegan).

And that’s cool. I’m not bashing people that are vegetarian or that have electric cars and such. But your not on here trying to be the one true savior. You can’t bash people for one thing when your not living it 100% yourself.

 

[Lyss]

This is true. However there is nothing stopping new hobbyists, or inexperienced hobbyists, or hobbyists who don't care, from buying animals they shouldn't be purchasing. We can all look at posts here and on other social media platforms whereas someone asks a question about care or requirements "after" the purchase. Search of flame scallop for just one example.

Our hobby has no checks or balances or litmus test showing we can care for animals that are available today. And thus the government(s) taking the ball into their own hands since we can't seem to agree on our own. Ban everything. If we don't want the global ban then we collectively need to do something.

And that is supporting captive raised and bred first and foremost no matter what the price is. Only buy aquaculture corals. Then we can work through the change aspect and get our house in order before the house of cards tumbles down on us.

?? I don’t need this type of lecture, I stated in my original answer to this thread that all my fish save for my tailspot blenny were tank raised. I just spent a fortune to get three tiny little nano gobies direct from Biota over a wild-caught assessor at my LFS.

My point w/the answer quoted is that it will not solve our environmental crisis on its own — there is much more to it than that.

 

[Obsessed with fish]

Is your car electric? Do you recycle rain water for all your water needs in your home? Is your house fully powered only by solar panels?

1. I'm not legally allowed to drive a car.
2. This is not my house.

 

[HuduVudu]

I said that because you were talking about how I might eat fish every day.

There is your avatar.