Your thoughts on wild caught stuff.

[i cant think]

To be honest I cannot stand how "some" online store price the captive bred fish.

example: regal angel

a wild 3 inch one would run you about 200-300 depending on your LFS.

a imported Bali captive bred regal cost $250 AT MY LFS.

However please tell me why some store online are slapping a captive bred angel and charging $600+ For one, supposing that the $250 at my LFS are already making a somewhat profit.

I'm all for captive bred and fully support it for maybe helping endangered or limited fish, but I would think twice before buying captive fish again while having no problem buying a wild fish

I agree with this - I really do shy away from CB fish. I mean, two years ago you could get a Yellow Tang for £40-£80. Now they’re £280-£300 and a WC Indonesian is £220. If it came to it and I found a misbar regal and had enough room then potentially I would grab it. Even if it was CB.
I’m alright with CB gobies and clownfish, but other than that in both my tanks, all my fish are WC. That’s 2 CB fish out of 18 fish.
I own 4 gobies, 1 clownfish. My yasha is the only CB guy in there but it’s been a while so the yasha could be WC instead (A while being 2 years).


Even my LFS seem to be getting in Yellows much less then they were. This could be due to them not seeking or not making it but every time I see a CB fish, it comes in with an issue, Yellows usually came in with HLLE, grow and have a random white patch on their face and often weren’t fat enough. Gramma’s came in looking deformed and unnatural. Regals are very skinny when they come in and actually don’t always eat mysis/brine. Which I find to be annoying.

 

[akau]

100% of what is in my tank is wild caught. I have collected it with my friends, as they also collect for their aquariums (one is a marine biologist).

We live on a little island deep in the south pacific and our closest aquarium shop is in New Zealand, 1,900 miles away...

Any rock taken has already been broken off the reef by heavy wave action, we collect it from 10m down inside a passage before it gets covered in sand.

Coral frags are taken from the lagoon floor, again, these have already been snapped of by waves, turtles or sometimes careless snorkeling tourists.

We also collect our fish from areas of the lagoon that experience a range of conditions, salinity, temp etc so the fish are as hardy as possible.

We the very small number of fish we take, we are not affecting the local fish or coral stock.

We can do huge and regular water changes by walking over the road and filling containers with free lagoon water, perfect salinity, temp and full of good stuff.

I spend a lot of time in the water here spearfishing, diving and filming - our on top fishing for tuna, marlin etc. I would never do anything to hurt our reefs. During the first part of covid I helped lead programs and expeditions removing crown of thorns starfish from ours and neighbouring islands, literally saving football fields worth of coral.

I think if you really know where your fish are being harvested from, and who buy, there's nothing wrong with it. I definitely think on the whole the industry needs to do more to stop dodgy collectors though.


Cheers

 

[Ricox]

+ 1 to akau

 

[Paul B]

I know that cod I made last night was wild caught because my wife didn't want me to hatch it 5 years ago and wait for it to grow. She was hungry.

The stuffed calamari I will make this Saturday will be wild caught as will be the shrimp and clams I stuff them with. To get them I will drive my 2,000 lb car over to the fish market and "harvest" them from the counter. I will cook them on my stove that uses fossil fuel (gas) which came from corroded dinosaurs and vegetation that was planted by some Neanderthal 30,000 years ago in his victory garden that he made after a particularly nasty war with some Cro Magnons.

I also throw wild caught amphipods in my tank to feed my carnivorous fish.
Whatever fish you have in your tank, their parents spent their lives eating "wild caught" fish and inverts so I assume they don't care about their environment.

 

[DE FISH]

I know that cod I made last night was wild caught because my wife didn't want me to hatch it 5 years ago and wait for it to grow. She was hungry.

The stuffed calamari I will make this Saturday will be wild caught as will be the shrimp and clams I stuff them with. To get them I will drive my 2,000 lb car over to the fish market and "harvest" them from the counter. I will cook them on my stove that uses fossil fuel (gas) which came from corroded dinosaurs and vegetation that was planted by some Neanderthal 30,000 years ago in his victory garden that he made after a particularly nasty war with some Cro Magnons.

I also throw wild caught amphipods in my tank to feed my carnivorous fish.
Whatever fish you have in your tank, their parents spent their lives eating "wild caught" fish and inverts so I assume they don't care about their environment.

Agreed this is the new generation we are talking about they are triggered and offended by everything! Their taught that they can identify as a unicorn, eating any meat is bad and we all should be vegan, drive a Prius and take a dump in the woods.

 

[FishOkay]

I know that cod I made last night was wild caught because my wife didn't want me to hatch it 5 years ago and wait for it to grow. She was hungry.

The stuffed calamari I will make this Saturday will be wild caught as will be the shrimp and clams I stuff them with. To get them I will drive my 2,000 lb car over to the fish market and "harvest" them from the counter. I will cook them on my stove that uses fossil fuel (gas) which came from corroded dinosaurs and vegetation that was planted by some Neanderthal 30,000 years ago in his victory garden that he made after a particularly nasty war with some Cro Magnons.

I also throw wild caught amphipods in my tank to feed my carnivorous fish.
Whatever fish you have in your tank, their parents spent their lives eating "wild caught" fish and inverts so I assume they don't care about their environment.

Actually commercial fishing and the aquairum trade are pretty different so your troll essay was pretty irrelevant to the thread. Commercial fishing is probably one of the most if not the most destructive Industries to natural environments probably. I would never be a vegan or vegetarian but I would consider not eating fish, atleast when you eat a cow you know it was only that cow and a few others that were killed haha. Fishings so indiscriminate with what's trapped and killed that it's a waste.

 

[Paul B]

I actually know quite a bit about commercial fishing as my family was in the sea food business since the Roman Empire. I also agree with you about how wasteful it is to the remaining population of fish and how destructive it is.

I too have been to many places where our fish were collected and dove many of those places for over 50 years. I find it fascinating that you know nothing about me and yet you call me a troll. I have trolled quite a bit of threads on here. it's just a thing.

Open pit mining may be compared to commercial fishing as destructive but we all want to eat and drive our cars.

I personally don't buy many fish for my tank, wild caught or not because they live long enough to die of old age, even my 30 year olds so I don't do much harm to the environment and the solar panels on my roof save quite a bit of oil and lessen my carbon footprint.

How are those Fish and Chips you Brits serve on just about every street corner.

 

[Hans-Werner]

I would never be a vegan or vegetarian but I would consider not eating fish, atleast when you eat a cow you know it was only that cow and a few others that were killed haha. Fishings so indiscriminate with what's trapped and killed that it's a waste.

... you can eat a trout or a carp from pond aquaculture or caught with rod. Wild caught salmon should also be not too bad.

Fish are good in feed conversion, they have a low carbon footprint, at least if fed with plant protein, so maybe prefer carp, Tilapia or Pangasius.

A cow may have eaten some rainforest and a cheese may contain more soy (that has passed the stomaches of cows ) than tofu of the same weight.

 

[FishOkay]

I actually know quite a bit about commercial fishing as my family was in the sea food business since the Roman Empire. I also agree with you about how wasteful it is to the remaining population of fish and how destructive it is.

I too have been to many places where our fish were collected and dove many of those places for over 50 years. I find it fascinating that you know nothing about me and yet you call me a troll. I have trolled quite a bit of threads on here. it's just a thing.

Open pit mining may be compared to commercial fishing as destructive but we all want to eat and drive our cars.

I personally don't buy many fish for my tank, wild caught or not because they live long enough to die of old age, even my 30 year olds so I don't do much harm to the environment and the solar panels on my roof save quite a bit of oil and lessen my carbon footprint.

How are those Fish and Chips you Brits serve on just about every street corner.

I took from that, agreement that commercial fishing can be wasteful and that you find it fascinating I was able to work out you were a troll and then admit to being a troll haha. Honestly you don't need to know someone to know if they are a troll you can work that out from what they post.
Cod and chips are very tasty actually I don't get the point.

 

[Paul B]

Cod and chips are very tasty actually I don't get the point.

I am sure you don't. Have a great day.

 

[LiveFreeAndReef]

The captive breed regals are pretty new to the market. Yes the price is silly.

What I don't understand is how I can purchase a captive bread Biota Yellow tang cheaper from Biota than I can from my LFS.

I am not complaining but that doesn't help LFS out.

Your LFS has to make some $$ somehow. Biota has a set price for them ($150 I believe) and then they're marked up by the LFS so they can make a profit too. Buying something for $150 and then selling it for $150 is bad business

 

[LiveFreeAndReef]

I vote "Yes" although I do try to buy captive bred fish when I have the option. IMO a fish that's been raised in an aquarium will be happier living in an aquarium. Though there are some downsides, like how captive bred clownfish don't know they're supposed to be loving on an anemone for example.

 

[FishOkay]

I am sure you don't. Have a great day.

No no don't run away. Explain your point, It sounded like you were trying to suggest I'm somehow a hypocrite because you have an opinion that all British people love cod and chips because that would be idiotic. Unless you were, well then I can't help you.

 

[Paul B]

M16jXM. I don't run away. I have been here for many, many years and will probably be here for many more and never have to explain my point to anyone nor do I need your help.

 

[Jeffcb]

M16jXM. I don't run away. I have been here for many, many years and will probably be here for many more and never have to explain my point to anyone nor do I need your help.

I get it sir!

 

[Jeffcb]

Agreed this is the new generation we are talking about they are triggered and offended by everything! Their taught that they can identify as a unicorn, eating any meat is bad and we all should be vegan, drive a Prius and take a dump in the woods.

I prefer wild caught Unicorn! Very tasty!

 

[Sean Clark]

Your LFS has to make some $$ somehow. Biota has a set price for them ($150 I believe) and then they're marked up by the LFS so they can make a profit too. Buying something for $150 and then selling it for $150 is bad business

I understand the LFS has to make their money too. I guess what I was saying is that I do not understand the business model. The LFS (presumably) is purchasing CB fish from their supplier at a lower cost. The supplier selling direct to consumers and at a lower or the same cost is what confuses me. I am not complaining. Just doesn't seem like the typical supply chain model.

 

[Lyss]

I understand the LFS has to make their money too. I guess what I was saying is that I do not understand the business model. The LFS (presumably) is purchasing CB fish from their supplier at a lower cost. The supplier selling direct to consumers and at a lower or the same cost is what confuses me. I am not complaining. Just doesn't seem like the typical supply chain model.

I'm sure LFS don't like that they've gone DTC. DTC is always gonna be cheaper for the consumer b/c it cuts out the middleman costs, and lots of brands are doing it now.

Makes it hard for mom and pops like the LFS b/c they come off looking like they're charging a bunch for something you can get DTC cheaper.

 

[damsels are not mean]

Actually commercial fishing and the aquairum trade are pretty different so your troll essay was pretty irrelevant to the thread. Commercial fishing is probably one of the most if not the most destructive Industries to natural environments probably. I would never be a vegan or vegetarian but I would consider not eating fish, atleast when you eat a cow you know it was only that cow and a few others that were killed haha. Fishings so indiscriminate with what's trapped and killed that it's a waste.

commercial fishing =/= sport or subsistence fishing

 

[jwaldbusser]

83% of reefers dont care about the environment

92 % of statistics are made up