Yup didn’t make it a year

Ill post a pics you requested tomorrow.

I know im doing to much but im just a nervous nelly. Was trying to avoid issues like dinos but got them.
I don’t know if I’ve had Dino’s or not. Got some brown on my sand for a while, but I just waited it out. I ask for pics as when I was first in the hobby I did it all DYI. This time around I have all pre-plumbed tanks.

Also I’m a contractor so pretty sure if you post pics of your plumbing I can at least get you past that part.
 
This hobby is so confusing so many times I see issues that have no real cause or there are so many different possible causes its impossible to know which for sure. Just from my experience:

I like the idea of feeding more and looping your uv out and back in to the sump. That's how mines setup and it causes no issues. I run it 12 hrs a day 7pm-7am at a slow gph. I feed my fish 3 types of food 3 times a day and my no3 stays right at about 10 while po4 does continue to rise. I counter it with gfo in a mini reactor plumbed into the return line. So far I'm still dialing the gfo in but seems to be leveling out at 0.06. I can even tell when the gfo needs replacing as I'll see algae start appearing in the tank while po4 starts to go up. I don't have a ton of stony corals but I use all for reef 10ml every other day and it's helped me keep my alk between 9-9.3. I run my skimmer 24/7 and honestly only clean filter media, sock, sponge skimmer cup like once a month.

The only time I've ever had water level issues is when my ato float valve stopped working. If you use one of those may want to make sure it's functioning correctly. Just wanted to share what I do, I'm pretty new but haven't yet had any real struggle with algae. My best guess is your new tank is settling and needs more time to right itself. I've seen your posts around you always seemed to know what your doing just trust yourself, trust the process and I fully believe you can get your tank through this. I totally understand the frustration tho, I don't believe the saltwater bug will let you walk away tho:)
 
#1 Use only one return pump to the display, all other filters/UV pumps should be looped back into the sump. Won’t get the water level sorted until you do.

#2 Automate as much as you can. Really helps with burning out and frees you up when your tank needs focused attention/projects. Also creates stability.

#3 Don't just let your tank “go“, but slow down a little. You can monitor trends on a weekly basis. Unless you are starting some new dosing or regimen, over testing can just tire you out and not add that much value.
 
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sounds like you doing too much....

i rarely test and when i do, it's only alk. I just set up a new IM 20 with new dry rocks and some biomedia from my main tank. Didn't test, added corals within the first week, and 2 months later, all is well. This hobby can be devastating when you do too much and chase numbers. That's why people always say to follow KISS (Keep It Stupid Simple). Water from RODI, decent light, decent flow, match nutrients import with export...that's all you really need. Skip equipments you don't need. It pains me to see people tinker with their tank day in and day out. Your tank WILL stabilize. Let it do its thing. People get dino cuz they go crazy with equipments and additives that strip the water of all nutrients while not adding back the right amount of nutrients.
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I had a 90 running transferred everything over to a new 90 no issues until last week. Levels tanked over 2 days and now have dinos. Everyone said i need a sump. I got a sump. All i do is keep adjusting the gate valve because the water level in the tank after about a 2 weeks it goes down. Like literally don’t get why its doing it. I literally hate my tank.
In this hobby, I think it is important to automate as much as possible to keep things stable.

1) Use a RO/DI auto top off. A simple float valve is sufficient.
2) Periodically test salinity with a properly calibrated device.
3) Track temperature and pH in real time (Apex or other).

A variable DC pump and gate valve can be helpful to stabilize the water level in the sump. That's how I do it. My tank is super quiet. Make sure there are not periodic restrictions that develop... like filter media that backs up and raises the water level in some areas.

I agree that a sump is invaluable. That was a good move IMO. It sounds like your issue could be as simple as adding an auto top off.

Had a fluval wanted a nicer tank so got a new IM15. Transferred everything over. It has dinos now and all the coralline on the rock is dying.

Im at a lost for words how terrible everything goes in this hobby. I want to succeed but everything is against me.
This hobby certainly can very frustrating and requires so much patience, and insight into processes which may be opaque.

Always keep in mind that you are picking winners and losers in a war for survival which is occurring in your tank. In my opinion, to be effective in this, one must have a certain level of understanding of both the biology and the chemistry to create conditions where favorites out compete the pests to dominate the ecosystem.

Also keep in mind that when measuring nutrients that 0 means that everything available is being consumed (i.e. there is no buffering for these nutrients). Assuming inputs, that energy is going somewhere and there are certainly sources of nutrients in your tank outside what you add periodically.

I am sorry to hear about the coraline. I suggest that you also keep an eye on the pH to make sure it stays in a range that is appropriate. With that dying, I'd be concerned that pH is dipping low at times. You can track leading indicators such as kH to make sure pH stays in a good zone too. Try for pH in something like the 8-8.3 range +/- and kH in the 7-10 range +/- (but don't obsess on the actual values). pH will vary naturally with dissolved gasses like CO2 and O2 which the tank occupants produce/consume - just accept that. A CO2 scrubber on the intake of your skimmer is an inexpensive solution to stabilizing CO2 which will definitely cause pH to drop. When I activate the scrubber on my tank, the pH stays at 8.2 +/- 0.05. Options to place this are an advantage of having a sump.

Think about the food pyramid/nutrient cycle. Who is consuming what you are adding to the tank? Are the pests consuming this, or are your preferred occupants taking them up. Also, consider the predation pressure on your pests (dinos in this case). I have seen some evidence that pods prey on dinos. There was a video by Ryan Batcheller (BRS) at one of the expos this summer (reefapalooza?). He did some experiments with "infecting" several new tanks with pests and then adding like 10+ bottles/30,000+ pods to prey as an experiment. IIRC, one of the things in that presentation was video that he found which was taken by someone else of pods consuming dinos.

The following example is obviously not the same as dinos, but an example of the philosophy I use. I recently had a bacteria bloom in my tank when some macro algae I had placed onto the rocks began dying (underneath) and releasing nutrients unbeknownst to me. I pulled most of the macro to eliminate the source of the nutients, increased manual removal of the bacterial colonies with a syringe, increased mechanical skimming, increased and varied flow, changed floss multiple times per day, introduced other strains of bacteria (microbacter 7 dosing) and also refreshed the pod population. I also had a UV sterilizer at the standby, but did not have to use that. Within a few days of cutting off the food source, increasing competition, filtration and predation, the bloom stopped (at least visibly).

I see a lot of suggestions in this thread which is great. Balance what you do against a hypothesis about what is happening in your tank, go slowly and look for clues that you are introducing changes that are improving the situation. You don't have to be 100% right, just enough to tip the scales. Be patient, relax and enjoy the show/experiment, particularly if things are generally going the right direction, and no one is dying.

A final note. In my experience, the expectations of others (such as S.O.) can add unhelpful pressure. One has to find their own solution for this. Mine is to keep the tank in my office, and entertain visitors who come and go when they want. They might come less during the ugly phase, but thats ok.
 
I have seen a lot of tanks come and go and one fact sticks in my mind. The tanks with the most testing, tweeking, dosing and fawning over are the tanks that don't last very long.

These systems are ecosystems and as long as you leave them alone, seem to function fine.

Yes, they get parasites, diatoms, hair algae, flatworms, cyano etc. but guess what. My tank has parasites, flatworms, diatoms, hair algae and cyano and all those things eventually live together in harmony and end up to be a beautiful, fully functioning tank where we rarely have to do anything to except feed.

The best ways are the natural ones and an algae scrubber is the most natural thing you can make or buy and will eliminate a large number of those things you feel are problems with no help from you.

Good luck whatever you do. :beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes:
 
#1 Use only one return pump to the display, all other filters/UV pumps should be looped back into the sump. Won’t get the water level sorted until you do.

#2 Automate as much as you can. Really helps with burning out and frees you up when your tank needs focused attention/projects. Also creates stability.

#3 Don't just let your tank “go“, but slow down a little. You can monitor trends on a weekly basis. Unless you are starting some new dosing or regimen, over testing can just tire you out and not add that much value.
Ill be switching out the pumps today to see if i can get the water level to balance. I was saving my pennies to get a Trident. I do have an ato its a tunze.

I started this post because of this rock and the several issues i have with the two tanks. This rock was over 3 years old i got from a local reefer that was getting out due to health reasons. Now the rock is turning white. Very gut wrenching. Picture taken this morning before going to work.
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I read most of this and I have to say, hearing my wife say " I told you so" over and over again is enough motivation for me to never surrender and quit. I'd grab a 12 pack and game on every day. No way I'd let her win the fish battle. Say a prayer to Posideon. We are all pulling for you OP.
Same. My wife’s waiting for me to throw I the towel to remind me about all the money I’ve thrown at this hobby…. When I’m close to throwing in the towel, I imagine my wife smirking waiting to pounce. I refuse to give her the satisfaction. Even if I gotta put in plastic fish n corals to trick her I’ll do it dangit.
 
I have seen a lot of tanks come and go and one fact sticks in my mind. The tanks with the most testing, tweeking, dosing and fawning over are the tanks that don't last very long.
Agreed. I did the same thing when I first started out. I was testing atleast once a day if not twice a day and my tank was a mess. Once I backed off things started to level out and work great. Other than testing maybe once a month I just feed the tank and top off the water.
 
I'm still newish to the hobby, upgrading from 16 to 40 right now,but that doesn't seem out of the ordinary. The fluctuations in my 16 aren't crazy, but they happen and my rock at one point had lost loads of its algae from what I'm assuming was me reducing the leftover food amount by quite a lot. It can happen and likely will happen. Don't give up, this is a rewarding hobby to see everything adjust itself and to see how every creature has its own unique personality. Example being my yellow watchman actually coercing a newly added tiger pistol to hang out. Was interesting to see lol
 
Same. My wife’s waiting for me to throw I the towel to remind me about all the money I’ve thrown at this hobby…. When I’m close to throwing in the towel, I imagine my wife smirking waiting to pounce. I refuse to give her the satisfaction. Even if I gotta put in plastic fish n corals to trick her I’ll do it dangit.
Oh I already told her if the nano crashes its going in my sons room and gonna get freshwater fish.
 
Sorry for all of your issues. But I will add if you are the type who over thinks and micro manages this hobby isn't for you. Don't take that the wrong way but there's no way to keep a perfect system and recreate the ocean. It's just not possible. I take a different approach altogether. I've accepted the fact I WILL lose coral and instead of trying to adapt to it's needs 100% and pound my head against the wall when I have a tiny 10pt alk swing I wait it out and most of the time they adapt to my systems. The only thing I really ever test is alk and that's only to adjust my dosing from time to time. I'm dosing mag and cal 5ml a day just because and never test for those as my water changes usually keep those in check. This is in a 180gal system. If you don't have a doser though on my 80g I use a product called reef ready. It's an all in one product that has been working for me very well in keeping things stable and I use that as a grow out tank mainly it's loaded with coral. It's cheap and easy for smaller tanks 10ml a day gets my tank stable. I'm in the minority and believe the less information I have the easier this hobby becomes.
 
Same. My wife’s waiting for me to throw I the towel to remind me about all the money I’ve thrown at this hobby…. When I’m close to throwing in the towel, I imagine my wife smirking waiting to pounce. I refuse to give her the satisfaction. Even if I gotta put in plastic fish n corals to trick her I’ll do it dangit.
Never surrender, the struggle is real
 
I think im done. That amount if time i spend testing, inspecting and adjusting things in my tanks is so time consuming. Like it’s annoying. This is the most frustrating hobby I’ve ever been into where nothing goes as planned. Its like going out on the boat but you literally always break down or you never catch fish.

I really don’t see how anyone is successful in this hobby. I have been so diligent in testing and keeping everything as perfect as i can but it is taking up a ton of my time.

My wife wants me to end it.

I had a 90 running transferred everything over to a new 90 no issues until last week. Levels tanked over 2 days and now have dinos. Everyone said i need a sump. I got a sump. All i do is keep adjusting the gate valve because the water level in the tank after about a 2 weeks it goes down. Like literally don’t get why its doing it. I literally hate my tank.

Had a fluval wanted a nicer tank so got a new IM15. Transferred everything over. It has dinos now and all the coralline on the rock is dying.

Im at a lost for words how terrible everything goes in this hobby. I want to succeed but everything is against me.
I felt the same way as you do. I was not at the one year mark yet and everything was awe full, nothing going right ready to be done. everyone says the first year is the hardest so I stuck it out. I would have to say almost a year to the day the tank just started changing, for the better. I could not tell you what was doing it or why because I did nothing different to change it. I only checked nitrates, phosphates, and salinity just to make sure they were not getting dangerously high for the fish.
 
I think we have all been in the spot you are at and can empathize with how it feels. It totally sucks when it seems like the cards are stacked against you. The thing is this hobby has ebbs and flows like any other. Sometimes the reef gods are working in your favor and everything is great. At other times it seems like they are tossing any curveball they can to see if you will give up.

Here’s the thing. there’s a ton of people on here with a ton of different levels of experience, knowledge, and processes they follow. I’ve seen some that test everything under the sun. I’ve seen others that only test for elements that will really affect coral development. There is no right or wrong.

ive transferred tanks like you and it all went sideways. I’ve done it and everything went smooth. There have been plenty of times I wanted to throw in the towel to only find myself back here looking at ideas for how to build back better and learn from my mistakes. I really hope you stick it out and maybe cut yourself some slack on testing and parameters. It’s all one big science experiment. Keep on keepin on cuz I really think that as your tank matures it will make it worth the trials and tribulations.


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A few things that will cost you nothing, be super easy and will give you a better starting point. #1. Adjust the gate valve so the water level in the overflow box very slowly rises. Let it reach the emergency drain and barely trickle into it. You have plenty of reserve flow left in that emergency drain just in case, especially because it'll go full-siphon before your tank overflows. I look at adjusting the water level as a trend. Always have it trending slightly slower than needed and let another drain (the emergency in this case) pick up the slack. It'll make that aspect FAR easier and you probably won't have to adjust it again. #2. Forget all of the testing. Your tank isn't loaded with stuff yet and simple water changes will be enough. Wait until you see hair algae starting to grow on pumps as they're closer to the light and THEN do a 5% water change. If you see green "fuzz", that's your indicator to do a water change that weekend or whatever for the week. If you don't see fuzz a week or two weeks later, don't do a water change. Wait until you see signs of nuisance algae growth where it matters. Ignore what the sand looks like. It'll sort itself out over time, including dinos and especially if you don't hammer your tank with too much maintenance. I believe in only doing things that are needed and not necessarily on a schedule just because. It's ok if nitrates and phosphates are elevated a little bit. Our tanks run within a very wide range but tend to not be as successful or easier to keep at lower nutrient levels (it's a far more involved process to pull that off, which isn't for you (or me)). As long as salinity and temp are fine and you clean the panels every week or so, your tank will run this way with very little effort and will eventually be covered in coralline algae probably within a few months. It's only when we try optimize water parameters to make coral grow fast or as colorful as possible, that we start really having difficulty in this hobby. It doesn't have to be perfect or even close to it. You can do this with WAY LESS EFFORT and fine tune later on to get the results you want.
 
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A few things that will cost you nothing, be super easy and will give you a better starting point. #1. Adjust the gate valve so the water level in the overflow box very slowly rises. Let it reach the emergency drain and barely trickle into it. You have plenty of reserve flow left in that emergency drain just in case, especially because it'll go full-siphon before your tank overflows. I look at adjusting the water level as a trend. Always have it trending slightly slower than needed and let another drain (the emergency in this case) pick up the slack. It'll make that aspect FAR easier and you probably won't have to adjust it again. #2. Forget all of the testing. Your tank isn't loaded with stuff yet and simple water changes will be enough. Wait until you see hair algae starting to grow on pumps as they're closer to the light and THEN do a 5% water change. If you see green "fuzz", that's your indicator to do a water change that weekend or whatever for the week. If you don't see fuzz a week or two weeks later, don't do a water change. Wait until you see signs of nuisance algae growth where it matters. Ignore what the sand looks like. It'll sort itself out over time, including dinos and especially if you don't hammer your tank with too much maintenance. I believe in only doing things that are needed and not necessarily on a schedule just because. It's ok if nitrates and phosphates are elevated a little bit. Our tanks run within a very wide range but tend to not be as successful or easier to keep at lower nutrient levels (it's a far more involved process to pull that off, which isn't for you (or me)). As long as salinity and temp are fine and you clean the panels every week or so, your tank will run this way with very little effort and will eventually be covered in coralline algae. It's only when we try optimize water parameters to make coral grow fast or as colorful as possible, that we start really having difficulty in this hobby. You can do this with WAY LESS EFFORT and fine tune later on to get the results you want.
Im actually messing with the gate valve now. I turned off the uv pump and getting things adjusted right.
 
@doubleshot00 from what I have read so far, I would make a couple of suggestions.
1. Quit testing so much. I test nitrates and phosphates once a week. Watch for trends to know where and what to do. Don’t know how many fish you have, but if your afraid of tanking your nutrients you may need to feed a little more. (Based on age of tank and others saying your corals are not consuming it.

2. You showed the pics of the emergency overflow but not the main. Your water should remain just above the main return pipe and remain constant. If the water level drops I would assume that it doesn’t return unless your return pipe is well below water level. Pics of that could be good. The water level should change in your sump, not in your tank.

3. Patience, patience and more patience. As everyone says, nothing in this hobby happens overnight. I’m obsessive compulsive and was spending way too much time chasing everything and making changes. Once I quit obsessing and relaxed things got far easier.

I’ve been known to go too many directions at once. Changing this and that to get it “perfect”. The best general advise I have gotten on R2R was to set back and let nature take action.

Best of luck.
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