...are MP40s worth the money...???

[nexusnight]

Jebao . I run two in a 140 and love them. Ones been running six months solid and dead silent and i dont fone that they creat any noticable heat

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[pam0630]

I checked out the wp40 on eBay , much cheaper

 

[Masterpiece Corals]

Totally worth it! Can't go wrong, but don't get me wrong, it's still a lot of money.

 

[Pappy]

Yes the vortechs are worth every penny! And in response to the jeabo comments there is no comparison and can't understand why people continue to try. The vortech is superior to every other pump on the market BY FAR in every way hence 4x the price. Can you get by with koralias, jeabos, and others yes...but the question was are the vortechs worth the $$$. My answer is yes!

 

[nexusnight]

Let me ask the question.... What really makes people justify the cost of a vortech pump.

When i see the cost and then knowing that you have to change up parts at a high price aswell.... I dont see the value. The jebao pumps are 1 5th the cost of a mp40 and move more water. I have a vid on utube that proves this. Even if u have to replace the jebao every two years worst case you would still ne ahead. Id say even the tunze pumps are a better option than vortech but again still a high price tag bit great quality.
Just thought id add some food for thought and stir the pot a little

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[huuta]

for looks then they are worth the $$$.They are great pumps but for flow then not worth it.The whinning noise just gets to me too.I've had mp10,mp40,tunze 6105,6045 and by far the jebao pumps beats them all imo.I just replace the last mp10 with a wp25 a few days ago and no,vortech is not the king of pump.I would take a tunze over vortech anyday of the week.I know so many people that replace their vortech with either tunze or jebao.Why do you think there is so many vortech up for sale right now?

 

[jaa1456]

IMO they are the best avaliable power heads out there or wave makers. Are they worth the retail price they sell for? No, not at all. I have a MP 40 and MP10 on my 120. The combo provides plenty of water movement. They are the third best investment on my tank, behind quality lights and a quality skimmer. You can always buy cheaper equipment to move water, but you can't skimp out on the lights and skimmer. I bought my MP10 brand new and the MP40 used. I would not buy a new one again, it has been a year for the MP40 and 3 for the MP10 and I have yet to have any problems or issues with them, (knock on wood). I run both around 60-70%

 

[reef. coffee & curly hair]

I don't understand why certain people want to over look the bigger picture. It's expensive but there are other things involved with price points. This is a post I posted a while back. >>>> Vortechs are worth every penny. Customer Service is unmatched. Period. Product is made of the best materials available. Dreamt, innovated, designed, and built in America (who doesn't appreciate that?). The code that allows up to 8 pumps to run off of one controller allowing for all variances for each pump has got to be one nasty nasty piece of code. The undertow is unmatched. Lets just not mention that their is simply one less cord that could leak voltage in the tank. These things are important. You get what you paid for with these pumps. The higher price tag allows this company to continue innovating new products, improve existing ones, add accessories, maintain a strong customer support, and so on. I'm not bagging any pumps out there by any means but if you want the best all around design, functionality, and "functional" customer support you are going to have to shell out some coin. And to one others comment the reefs I've seen have regular wave patterns with minor random flow turbulence/shifts. But as to your question its all about placement with everything. Its a pain but moving new/old frags, pumps/direction, would probably save a lot of loss within many systems. Hope you figure it out... Luck...!!<<< With that said stay within your budget and needs.

 

[cdness]

Let me preface this by saying I have a mixed reef with absolutely no powerheads in my tank and have no intention of ever using them...

Vortecs have some nice features like no cords in the water, wireless communication to controllers and other devices, high amount of water movement, low space requirement inside the tank, no heat transfer to the tank, and good support. However at full blast they make too much noise for me. The bearings will go out if run out of balance or at the highest speed for too long. The cost is not justifiable for me as a reefer as there are better places to put those dollars. While they have a small footprint inside the tank, it makes the outside "furniture" view of the tank look like it has a wart hanging off the back or side of the tank. It's like that nose wart you just saw on that guy in Walmart...lol.

Other powerheads are inexpensive but do take up more room in the tank. The cords are in the tank and heat is transferred, even if it is slim. They can provide just as much flow as a vortec and can grow corals just as well as a vortec can.

Personally my vote is for a powerful closed loop system, but I don't want to start that debate here as there is never a winner. I get tremendous flow with no cords in the tank, no heat transfer, randomized through an OM 4 way, less noise than a vortec at full speed, high quality bearings, exceptional customer support (Go ReeFlo!), and a better visual appearance having no powerheads and just Loc-Line in the tank itself. I am also adding 2 sea swirls to the mix to randomize even more. However I use a little more power than powerheads and the initial investment is higher than the inexpensive powerheads.

In conclusion, if you are just starting out there is no need to buy vortecs unless you like throwing your money around to join the vortec owner club. Other powerheads will get you by and work just as well with less pain in the pocketbook. Closed loops are not for everyone , but I would recommend at least looking at all options and picking what is going to work best for you financially, visually, and fits your capabilities as a reefer.

 

[Chris07]

Well well worth the money! I've had a few powerheads in my tank and my last set was running off a wavemaker and nothing compares to the vortechs. Great flow, great service, great LOOKS, great product, and the movement of polyps and tentacles caused by the undertow is unmatched!

 

[reef. coffee & curly hair]

I agree and disagree. Depends on the application. Like a bullnose setup for example will hide the vortechs on the small side against the wall. For me the least amount of intrusion to the inside of the tank is more important then outside aesthetics. Hence your actual setup which was one I seriously considered. So preferences will vary as I prefer the all natural look within my tank and an industrial setup/look outside of my tank. The customer service is not good, it is great, as is reeflo(which I am currently running), ocean motions, and sea swirl which I've ran as well. The bearing issue is on the customer to setup appropriately and I agree not all full speed. And as far as starting or restarting another system I wish someone had stepped in to tell me to just buy the best or what you want and/or need first, so I didn't have to replace my great but not enough sicce power heads which provided pennies in return investment. Vortechs simply hold their value very well. On the $465 initial investment one will pay to purchase they will most likely get $350 in return x years later. So it's based on the individual to know themselves enough to make an appropriate decision as you, myself, and others have stated. So to fishjunky its a hard pill to swallow but IME they are worth the money because of all the features and flexibility involved with this powerhead(my fav is the time and percent programmable feature for reduced flow which mimics the low tide at night and increase polyp extension for my midnight feedings). You won't be disappointed. Wallet might be mad though....! Lots of great options out there...! Luck!

 

[gar732]

My vortech hooked up to a backup battery single handedly saved my tank during two storms where I lost power for 4-5 days each storm. Are they expensive, yes. Do I have much more invested into my tank, yes. Is it a really great pump, yes. Do I think it's worth the money, I think yeah.

 

[fishjunky]

...thank you for all the responses guys...I will be going with the MP40's...one of the major draws for me is NO HEAT transfer...I don't have much wiggle room with my temperature...also, they do appear to hold their value better...finally, the quality looks great and I appreciate quality products !!!

 

[redtop03]

I use an MP60 and love it, I wanted it more for the battery back up during a power outage but it is a wicked pump and impossible to run wide open in my tank without causing a sand storm, it will eat fish too if ran at 100%, I keep it ay about 50% to 60%...

I also run a closed loop with the OM water diverter and a hammerhead pump, while the closed loop looks a bit better, it was more expensive than the MP60 and uses a lot more power to move less water, but then again, I can run the hammerhead wide open, the MP not so much LOL

are the MP Vortechs worth the money ? probable not, $40,000 for a new pick-up truck is too much too but people still buy 'em LOL I've never been disappointed in purchasing my MP60 regardless the cost, it, with the battery back-up, has saved my tank at least 3 times during poweroutages so for me, it has already earned it's keep

Vortechs are expensive, but they are extremely well build and don't look too bad in the tank, no wires in the tank was also a big selling point for me...

you can make the same waves for a lot less money with the Jabeo WPs but if you have an issue with the Jabeo, it will have to be shipped back to Chna for repairs and there is wiring in the tank as well as an ugly powerhead motor, if you can creatively hide the WPs, it may be a better option, I can't really speak for the WPs quality or performance though, never used one but based on what I've read, they seem to be a great pump...the WP doesn't offer the battery back-up option either, for me, that option is worth it's weight in gold

 

[Ninjapotamus]

tried vortechs, if you are super concerned with cables in your tank then yes... they are "worth it". my concern was primarily water flow strength, flow pattern, and controllability - so i sold all of my other powerheads and got jebaos.

After making the switch, I can now say that NO WAY are mp40 worth the money. the wp40 is such an insanely better value for the money. its not even close. wp40 absolutely 100% CRUSHES an mp40 in terms of value to performance ratio. anyone who has tried both would not even attempt to make an argument that in terms of raw water movement the mp40 is a good value -- its terrible. wp40 all the way. best value to performance of any reef product on the market today.

 

[Dtech07]

Yes they very much worth the money! Great customer support if you you buy new or used.

 

[xcorallusx]

tried vortechs, if you are super concerned with cables in your tank then yes... they are "worth it". my concern was primarily water flow strength, flow pattern, and controllability - so i sold all of my other powerheads and got jebaos.

After making the switch, I can now say that NO WAY are mp40 worth the money. the wp40 is such an insanely better value for the money. its not even close. wp40 absolutely 100% CRUSHES an mp40 in terms of value to performance ratio. anyone who has tried both would not even attempt to make an argument that in terms of raw water movement the mp40 is a good value -- its terrible. wp40 all the way. best value to performance of any reef product on the market today.

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[Damon]

To the "original question" of are they worth it(no reference to any other pump)? Yes, I love mine for what they "can do".

The flexibility alone for me is what sold me on going up from my 10's. I can manipulate my waves the way I want over wireless and the integration with my Apex is fantastic. I haven't had any problems and no vibration issues/noise. But inever hadissues withmy 10s either. On my 110 wide (48"tank), I'm running 2 mp40 pumps.

I feel for "my money", pumps well deserved. Are they expensive? I guess, but what in a hobby isn't. .

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[lakeviewink]

tried vortechs, if you are super concerned with cables in your tank then yes... they are "worth it". my concern was primarily water flow strength, flow pattern, and controllability - so i sold all of my other powerheads and got jebaos.

After making the switch, I can now say that NO WAY are mp40 worth the money. the wp40 is such an insanely better value for the money. its not even close. wp40 absolutely 100% CRUSHES an mp40 in terms of value to performance ratio. anyone who has tried both would not even attempt to make an argument that in terms of raw water movement the mp40 is a good value -- its terrible. wp40 all the way. best value to performance of any reef product on the market today.

I have 3 MP40wes , Tunze 6105, and a Jebao WP40.
The Jebao cannot even compare to the Vortechs. You can compare the Tunze and Jebao though, in terms of water movement. That is it. After a few weeks the problems started. First, the power converter. Next the controller. Then the impeller. Etc etc etc… long story short, it hasn't worked right for over six months. I use it ONLY for mixing fresh saltwater for water changes now. You get what you pay for, period.

Vortechs are definitely worth the money if you have a tank( or two) full of high end SPS like I do. If you are just a dabbler then go with a cheap pump, no shame in that. JMHO

 

[kacrocorals581]

I got rid of mine way to loud got the tunze with the controller insted