Chemiclean Poll, take 2

[treedog5]

I've used chemiclean on multiple tanks and never had any adverse effects from it..

 

[Dom274]

Where have I ever said or tried to convince someone of anything in this thread? I'm collecting information based on observation. I am not trying to do anything that fits the definition of "argument". Please, if you are convinced that I am trying to convince people of something, post the quote of mine that lead you to this conclusion.

"Argument" is a perfectly appropriate noun for the claims you are making. I know how to vocabulary, thank you very much.

Why is DO measurement relevant? There is no minimum DO specification for the use of this product that they have listed. They only suggest aeration. Are you really trying to suggest that a Durso overflow does not provide aeration because we don't specifically measure DO?

THIS IS THE POINT I AM MAKING! THE DIRECTIONS ARE VAGUE WITH NO QUANTIFIABLE BASELINE! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG WHEN EVERYTHING IS A GUESS????

As I have stated many times, this product seems to work great for the vast majority of users. What is wrong with trying to dig into why some people can follow the directions and still have problems with their tanks crashing?

I do not believe there is anything wrong with you digging into this - No state, federal or moral laws are being violated as far as I can tell. What I do believe, is that rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic would be a more fruitful endeavor than this. Why you you keep getting defensive, nitpick my choice of words and lash out when others call you into question? I'm simply asking you to back up your "Observations" up with actual "Facts". I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. What do the poll results say?

 

[Brew12]

"Argument" is a perfectly appropriate noun for the claims you are making. I know how to vocabulary, thank you very much.

So saying that I think something else is going on is now making an argument? That is weak. It is obvious that you are just a troll.

THIS IS THE POINT I AM MAKING! THE DIRECTIONS ARE VAGUE WITH NO QUANTIFIABLE BASELINE! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG WHEN EVERYTHING IS A GUESS????

No, you clearly stated that the cause of peoples tank crashes was low O2 levels. I have never stated that I believe to know the cause. Only that I have yet to observe any person who experienced a tank crash that did not have zoas.

Why you you keep getting defensive, nitpick my choice of words and lash out when others call you into question? I'm simply asking you to back up your "Observations" up with actual "Facts". I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. What do the poll results say?

You are the only one who attacked me for asking a question. What do the poll results say? That it is possible zoas are somehow involved. No one who has replied has had their tank crash that didn't have zoas. However, as I also said earlier in the thread, the sample size is just going to be too small to glean anything useful.

I'm done with you. Go troll elsewhere.

 

[cginter]

Geez it seems like I'm reading the presidential debate here

 

[twilliard]

Ok guys here is one for you all.
Can anyone tell me what they think of this result.

Now I know why this is can you tell me?

 

[cginter]

Just spill it out twillard! I don't like this waiting game already lol

 

[hatrix11]

I just dosed chemiclean for the first time yesterday. Very successful hobbiest in my reef club recommended it. My research showed most tank wipes were due to an oxygen issue. So I'm running the skimmer (emptied it first) as well as my whenthepowergoesoutemergencybattery airstone. I'll keep you guys posted.

 

[Brew12]

Ok guys here is one for you all.
Can anyone tell me what they think of this result.

Now I know why this is can you tell me?

Nope, but I am curious! Knowing what is in the purple beaker would sure help!

 

[twilliard]

The purple beaker is standard saltwater
This test is a simple Ph test of our water. So the fundamentals of Ph. The Ph test is a way to test the relation between Co2 and O2.
This is showing day 3, no aeration of either beaker.
As Co2 is released the Ph will rise as you see on the left. However on the right there is a factor that limits the release of Co2 or inversely the lack of O2.
Here is the test
40Ml of test water + 15 drops of Ph reagent. equal to both beakers. The beaker on the right includes chemiclean as noticed at .01Ml

This test shows the function of chemiclean in relation to O2 and Co2
Now I can add O2 to the right beaker to raise the Ph within the right beaker or I could gas off the Co2 to match the left beaker which ever is easier.
So to match the Ph of the right beaker to the left what would you do?
To match the right beaker to the left what would you do?

I have done this to help show and explain to the users of chemiclean the direct reaction of O2 and Co2

 

[cginter]

Basically showing the reason why you want to have lots of air going into the tank while treating it with chemiclean....

To match the right to left, add an air stone (oxygen).

Left to right add co2?
Going out on a limb here, I was never good with science ish but I could get used to it now having aquariums as my hobby

 

[120reefkeeper]

I've used chemiclean years ago. It worked fine for me and I followed the directions exactly.

My question is....

Is it possible that some folks wait until the cyano is way out of control and then dose chemiclean and with the mass bacterial die off you get a snowball effect?

Maybe it's better to dose chemiclean when you notice the cyano starting to be a problem?

I agree that aeration is key to the process and that it is stated in the directions to not only aerate but to increase aeration from the norm. It's not an option , it's required.

 

[cginter]

I still think with it being properly aerated and doing the 20% wc after 48hrs and adding new carbon, basically follow the directions to a T you'll be fine no matter how much cyano u have.

 

[Brew12]

The purple beaker is standard saltwater
This test is a simple Ph test of our water. So the fundamentals of Ph. The Ph test is a way to test the relation between Co2 and O2.
This is showing day 3, no aeration of either beaker.
As Co2 is released the Ph will rise as you see on the left. However on the right there is a factor that limits the release of Co2 or inversely the lack of O2.
Here is the test
40Ml of test water + 15 drops of Ph reagent. equal to both beakers. The beaker on the right includes chemiclean as noticed at .01Ml

This test shows the function of chemiclean in relation to O2 and Co2
Now I can add O2 to the right beaker to raise the Ph within the right beaker or I could gas off the Co2 to match the left beaker which ever is easier.
So to match the Ph of the right beaker to the left what would you do?
To match the right beaker to the left what would you do?

I have done this to help show and explain to the users of chemiclean the direct reaction of O2 and Co2

Aeration would make both even as long as no other pH changing compounds are present. Air exchange would allow the CO2 and O2 to reach proper equilibrium as long as both use the same air source.

I think this also goes to show that if you constantly monitor pH while using this product, and do not see a change in pH, that improper aeration is not the problem if you do experience a tank crash.

Gotta love science!

 

[cginter]

Aeration would make both even as long as no other pH changing compounds are present. Air exchange would allow the CO2 and O2 to reach proper equilibrium as long as both use the same air source.

I think this also goes to show that if you constantly monitor pH while using this product, and do not see a change in pH, that improper aeration is not the problem if you do experience a tank crash.

Gotta love science!

I would definitely agree. I did not see a change in ph while using this product.

 

[twilliard]

Aeration would make both even as long as no other pH changing compounds are present. Air exchange would allow the CO2 and O2 to reach proper equilibrium as long as both use the same air source.

I think this also goes to show that if you constantly monitor pH while using this product, and do not see a change in pH, that improper aeration is not the problem if you do experience a tank crash.

Gotta love science!

Excellent! Now we move on to the aeration of the test.
But keep in mind that co2 is aired off in the left beaker naturaly.

 

[hatrix11]

I did a wc before I dosed removing what I could and blowing the slime off the rocks first. I'm 24 hours in. So far so good.

 

[cginter]

I did a wc before I dosed removing what I could and blowing the slime off the rocks first. I'm 24 hours in. So far so good.

Make sure u do another 20% wc after 48 hours of treatment

 

[hatrix11]

Make sure u do another 20% wc after 48 hours of treatment

Will do!

 

[cginter]

Well after a couple days... it's back [emoji17].

 

[Brew12]

Excellent! Now we move on to the aeration of the test.
But keep in mind that co2 is aired off in the left beaker naturaly.

CO2 is aired off on both beakers naturally. The difference is the rapid change in CO2 levels caused by adding Chemiclean (again, assuming it doesn't contain any pH modifiers). If left for a long enough period of time they should both go back to being the same color over time. Providing aeration will only speed up that occurrence.