Cyano Killing off Chaeto

[slief]

No worries
I live to get to the bottom of things

Good luck with that one. You won't get any real information other than perhaps some reassurance. Remember, they are in the business of selling this product but aren't required nor willing to disclose the ingredients.

Here is their MSDS. Notice that they don't even list their ingredients there as it's not required by OSHA.


Material Safety Data Sheet

CHEMI-CLEAN

Distributor: Boyd Enterprises
1670 NE 205 Terrace
Miami, FL 33179
Ph: 305-651-2496
Fax: 305-651-2496

Section 1---Ingredients



Section 2---Physical data

Appearance: White powder

Section 3—First Aid Measures

Inhalation: Remove to fresh air
Ingestion: Wash out mouth with water.
Skin contact: Immediately flush skin with copious amounts of water.
Eye contact: Immediately flush eyes with copious amounts of water

Section 4—Hazard Data

May Cause sensitization by inhalation and skin contact.
In case of accident or if you feel unwell. Seek out medical advice. Bring at least the label of product with you

Section 5---Fire Fighting Methods

Fire: Emits toxic fumes under fire conditions
Explosion: not applicable
Fire extinguishing Media: Water spray, or applicable foam.
Special information: Wear appropriate protective gear for toxic fumes.

Section 6---Accidental Release Measures

Remove all possible ignition sources. Ventilate are of leak or spill. Wear appropriate personal protective equipment as specified in Section 8
Spills: Sweep up, place in bag and hold for waste disposal. Avoid raising dust, wash spill site after material pickup is complete.


Section 7---Handling and Storage

Keep tightly closed. Store in a cool, dry place. Refer to Section 8

Section 8---Exposure Control / Personal Protection

Ventilation system: Mechanical exhaust required. Avoid Prolonged or repeated exposure.
Personal Respirators: Wear appropriate NIOSH respirator
Skin Protection: Compatible chemical-resistant gloves; lab coat; apron or coveralls; boots, avoid prolonged or repeated exposure. Wash thoroughly after handling
Eye Protection: Use Chemical safety goggles and/or full face-shield where dusting or splashing of solutions is possible.

Section 9---Toxicological Information

Acute effects: May be harmful by inhalation, ingestion, or skin absorption. May cause allergic reaction. Exposure can cause: stomach pains, vomiting, and diarrhea
To the best of our knowledge, the chemical- physical, and toxicological properties have no been thoroughly investigated.
LD 50 (oral – mouse) > 10 g/kg
Target Organ Data: Behavioral (ataxia)
Gastrointestinal (nausea or vomiting)
Liver (other changes)

Section 10---Ecological Information

Ecological Fate: No information found
Ecological toxicology: No information found

 

[twilliard]

Oh no worries!
I was more thinking of chemical analysis from our university here. 5 blocks down the road
Have to give them something to do!

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

 

[twilliard]

I firmly believe that chemiclean is not an antibiotic
Its an antibacterial (soap based)
This is solely based on my observation of the reaction from foam fractionation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclosan
Maybe a close compound to this

 

[slief]

I firmly believe that chemiclean is not an antibiotic
Its an antibacterial (soap based)
This is solely based on my observation of the reaction from foam fractionation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclosan
Maybe a close compound to this

I would disagree regarding it being soap based but even if they did have soap as an ingredient, it's been banned from certain European countries because of regulations on over the counter sales of antibiotics and tests were done in Hanover Germany that showed erythromycin as an ingredient which led to the ban.

FWIW, virtually every red slime remover on the market including those that list erythromycin as an ingredient have the same impact on skimmers & cause the skimmers to go nuts. They all recommend shutting the skimmer off for this reason and they all recommend a large water change in the days after use. Whether it's a common ingredient that they all share or the impact on the surface tension of the water or the die off of bacteria, I don't know but they all have the same impact on protein skimmers.

 

[twilliard]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythromycin
In any form requires a prescription here in the states and understandable as why it may be banned overseas.
I love research!

 

[slief]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythromycin
In any form requires a prescription here in the states and understandable as why it may be banned overseas.
I love research!

Because this is not for human consumption, it falls under EPA laws and not FDA laws in the US. In the US, the only issue with the EPA would be the inclusion of pesticides. In other countries, the use of antibiotics have much more stringent regulations even if it's not for pharmaceutical use.

From Boyd in response to the product being removed from distribution there:
"We cannot supply the exact ingredients as Chemi-clean is a closely guarded secret within the company. We do not have to file any registration for it with the EPA as it isn't a pesticide of any kind and it does not directly kill any micro fauna. It works by 'cleaning' the aquarium. The EPA has approved our packaging and label for what it says and has classified as it a non pesticide. If you have some difficulty with the law in Germany we could probably provide you a copy of the letter from the EPA here in the US to present to the proper German authorities so they can do the same themselves."

 

[Rjramos]

Didn't see mention of a skimmer. Do you have an adequate one on the system?

 

[steiger33]

Didn't see mention of a skimmer. Do you have an adequate one on the system?

Yes I am running a vertex rated for up to 250 gallons almost double my system.

Also running a UV skimmer

 

[steiger33]

Didn't see mention of a skimmer. Do you have an adequate one on the system?

Yes I am running a vertex rated for up to 250 gallons almost double my system.

Also running a UV skimmer

 

[slief]

Yes I am running a vertex rated for up to 250 gallons almost double my system.

Also running a UV skimmer

When was the last time you changed your UV bulb? That looks like an Emperor Aquatics UV? If so, how many watts is it and how much flow are you running through it? How many total gallons in your system?

 

[steiger33]

When was the last time you changed your UV bulb? That looks like an Emperor Aquatics UV? If so, how many watts is it and how much flow are you running through it? How many total gallons in your system?

You are correct that is a Emperor and it's a 25 watt. Running a small pump running 1200lph. The unit is virtually brand new. I installed the UV skimmer 2 1/2 months ago.

 

[jetmaker]

I'd run a uv steralizer

 

[steiger33]

I'd run a uv steralizer

See quote above I am running an Emperor Aquatics 25 watt UV

 

[jetmaker]

K

 

[jetmaker]

K

Don't make sense why you have this.

 

[jetmaker]

You might try changing the lighting in the fuge I run a plain 60 watt led with a auto light reflector.

 

[jetmaker]

You don't run filter socks do you

 

[jetmaker]

If you do I'd say try without

 

[steiger33]

I have been running a filter sock. Since I turned out the lights 3 days ago the bloom is almost gone just wanting to make sure I eliminate it from coming back. What do you mean a auto light reflector?