Disease ID on naso tang

[omykiss001]

So I added half dose of copper yesterday and today he's really bad. Lying on his side breathing very heavily.

I would like to try hypo. How quick can I reduce the salinity to 1.009? I need to do something quick

Are you using cupramine? If so what I have found is to raise the level slowly over 3-5 days if not an outright emergency to get it up to therapeutic levels. What I have found works best is to bring the copper up in about 8 doses. 1st day I give 1/8 dose and monitor, this also give the fish about 24 hours begin adjusting their physiology to the copper. Also recommend a power head pointed at the surface to get good oxygenation of the water. The on day 2 I give 1/8 dose in the am then another 1/8 does in the evening. Watching the fish before addition of the next dose. If they fish are tolerating it well I continue with 2 1/8 doses each day one in the am and one in the pm until I get to 0.5 ppm. If there is any mild sign of distress I will wait on the next dose to see if the fish adjust or if I need to bring the level down with water change. I have not had to bring the level down dosing this way. I also suggest you test the level when you've added 50% the full dose again at 75%, and then confirm you are at 0.5ppm. I don't trust the volume delivered by a drop and you could be adding more or less than you think so important to check your levels as you go.

I had a similar situation to what you describe following their instructions to add 1/2 the dose on day 1 and the remainder 48 hours later. my copper band threw up his dinner and was breathing heavily, my royal gramma headed straight to the top of the tank also breathing heavily. do the 1/8 dose method I have not had anyone react badly to the cupramine, but then again I have not tried with any wrasses or angels, but have done this with several tangs; kole, yellow, powder brown, and pacific blue tang. None of them even noticed their was copper when dosed slowly like this.

I determined from their instructions and myself with the test kit that Seachem provides cupramine at 10,000 ppm so if you know the real water volume of your tank and how to calculate a dilution you can accurately figure out the volume of cupramine you need for each dose. I like volumes not drops, just don't trust them when administering drugs that can kill if given to much.

What you are seeing sounds just like what I saw when using their directions. You might add carbon, water change then bring the copper up slow. don't think this tang is at risk of dying given the thread so no need to rush the treatment. The other methods discussed are also good, just hypo is a PITA if you let is go up in salinity at all.

 

[shoelaceike]

Thanks....yup I did the directions exactly. I'm still going to try hypno as its less stressful

 

[Humblefish]

Thanks....yup I did the directions exactly. I'm still going to try hypno as its less stressful

Just be aware hypo only treats ich and Neobenedenia flukes.

 

[shoelaceike]

I have no idea what it has so I'm just trying different things.....my guess would be ich....but for whatever reason it just looks weird

 

[omykiss001]

Thanks....yup I did the directions exactly. I'm still going to try hypno as its less stressful

Just to be clear following the directions is most likely what lead to the heavy breathing and stress. Copper really should to be tittered up more slowly than the directions suggest to allow the fish to adapt and be able to handle the copper. There are times when you don't have that option, but otherwise slow is best.

Hypo works, just remember if your salinity goes up from 1.009 at all even for a minute you need to reset your clock so if at day 15 you see your salinity at 1.010 you are back at day one. TTM is probably the best and easiest method if you don't want to use medication and you think you are dealing with ich.

 

[Humblefish]

My gut tells me you still have brook lurking in your tank. It makes sense if you know you had brook but never went fallow. Like I said before, brook is a weird disease and not everything about it is well understood. So I think you're going to keep encountering these strange issues with your fish until you go fallow for at least 6 weeks.

 

[shoelaceike]

My gut tells me you still have brook lurking in your tank. It makes sense if you know you had brook but never went fallow. Like I said before, brook is a weird disease and not everything about it is well understood. So I think you're going to keep encountering these strange issues with your fish until you go fallow for at least 6 weeks.

Thanks.... I guess we'll see what happens....if I do, I guess I will have to consider that