For those that don’t QT, why not

[MnFish1]

Yeah i did not QT for years until flukes and ich killed over $1100 dollars in fish!!! Then had to play Ich management for years!!!! Which is not fun because anything can trigger a bad outbreak. I treat EVERTHING now. Too many diseases these days.

can I respectfully disagree?

 

[MnFish1]

I am surprised more people, and wholesalers don't use diatom filters. They are not that expensive and the diatom powder, if purchased from a pool supply is very cheap. They will remove parasites without altering water quality.

I personally don't need it for that reason but I do use my diatom sometimes when I collect NSW because I take it from the shore and it is filled with particles and sand. But if I were worried about parasites, I would use it in a "quarantine" tank or any tank where I was worried about parasites.
It won't cure a fish but it will keep new parasites from re-infecting your tank.

A diatom filter will remove anything smaller than about a micron, parasites are much larger than that.
Just a thought.

Curious - then - how do you know>. - I mean - you kind of implied that you knew - is that the secret *diatom filtration or is it miraculous immunity? either way - im good

 

[TheHarold]

I don’t because it’s expensive, takes too much space, weakens the overall immune system, and isn’t necessary whatsoever. I think that’s about it

 

[Mastiffsrule]

can I respectfully disagree?

No. ;Woot

 

[Sailfinguy21]

After loosing iver 800$ in fish.. from tangs. To butterfly fidh. To angels.. to dottybavks snd royal grammas and you name it to ich..

Yea i am never not quarantining and treating fish.

Nope...

I setup two qt tanks in my bedroom next to my 135 gallon tank. One is a 20g long. One is a 5.5g. Anyone who claims they have no room or no money to buy a 20g tank for 20$ with a 15$ hob and a 15$ heater is just plain fracking lazy.. I have a 10x12 bedroom. Guess what i have a full sized bed.. A 6 foot 135 gallon fish tank in front of it.. a 20g QT next to the 135.. my computer in my closet ( yes i use a diff closet for cloths lol) and i have a 60 gallon hexagon next to my bed with my 5.5g qt under it on the stand.

And i can open and close my door and can move around in my room and even lay on the floor...

So i dont see how no one has room for even a 6 gallon or 10 gallon qt.

I did hyposalinitity on my 135g.. yes in the 135g.. i took all my corals out put them in the 20g at the time i had maybe 25 frags.. and did hypo in the main tank.. i did hypo for 2 months.. I put my corals back in snails back in.. and its been 4 months and i havent seen a single ich spot since.

Now i habe 50 corals and some the size of basketballs so i cant do hypo like that again unless i got a bigger qt.. but if i had to get a bigger qt tank guess whst id put it under my 135 gallon tank... plenty of room down there... or id put it in my kitchen if i had too..

No excuse for not having a qt tank.


I really hope you guys who dont qt dont have to deal eith losing near 1000$ in fish like i did. I really hope you dont. Because when it happens.. and yes i mean when it happens.. Youre going to cry hard and kick yourself like i did.

I read all the i feed roids and overfeed.. and use garlic and stress free and ok yea that works.. but really you spend so much money on food but you cant spend 40$ on a ft tank with a filter and heater ? Makes sense to me... not...

I aint saying feeding and crap doesnt work.. but one of these days.... ONE OF THESE DAYS something will happen.. and youll be sorry.. Guy on youtube who has a big channle did thus.. and one day something happened and he lost half his fish from the ich he was managing perfectly fine for a awhile.

See this fish... This was a kole tang i had before hyposalnity.

 

[Marco S]

After loosing iver 800$ in fish.. from tangs. To butterfly fidh. To angels.. to dottybavks snd royal grammas and you name it to ich..

Yea i am never not quarantining and treating fish.

Nope...

I setup two qt tanks in my bedroom next to my 135 gallon tank. One is a 20g long. One is a 5.5g. Anyone who claims they have no room or no money to buy a 20g tank for 20$ with a 15$ hob and a 15$ heater is just plain fracking lazy.. I have a 10x12 bedroom. Guess what i have a full sized bed.. A 6 foot 135 gallon fish tank in front of it.. a 20g QT next to the 135.. my computer in my closet ( yes i use a diff closet for cloths lol) and i have a 60 gallon hexagon next to my bed with my 5.5g qt under it on the stand.

And i can open and close my door and can move around in my room and even lay on the floor...

So i dont see how no one has room for even a 6 gallon or 10 gallon qt.

I did hyposalinitity on my 135g.. yes in the 135g.. i took all my corals out put them in the 20g at the time i had maybe 25 frags.. and did hypo in the main tank.. i did hypo for 2 months.. I put my corals back in snails back in.. and its been 4 months and i havent seen a single ich spot since.

Now i habe 50 corals and some the size of basketballs so i cant do hypo like that again unless i got a bigger qt.. but if i had to get a bigger qt tank guess whst id put it under my 135 gallon tank... plenty of room down there... or id put it in my kitchen if i had too..

No excuse for not having a qt tank.


I really hope you guys who dont qt dont have to deal eith losing near 1000$ in fish like i did. I really hope you dont. Because when it happens.. and yes i mean when it happens.. Youre going to cry hard and kick yourself like i did.

I read all the i feed roids and overfeed.. and use garlic and stress free and ok yea that works.. but really you spend so much money on food but you cant spend 40$ on a ft tank with a filter and heater ? Makes sense to me... not...

I aint saying feeding and crap doesnt work.. but one of these days.... ONE OF THESE DAYS something will happen.. and youll be sorry.. Guy on youtube who has a big channle did thus.. and one day something happened and he lost half his fish from the ich he was managing perfectly fine for a awhile.

See this fish... This was a kole tang i had before hyposalnity.

This thread is not supposed to be a discussion on whether to QT or not, (or a lecture) but rather an honest explanation why people do not QT...No judging or trying to persuade anyone here. This was just for @Mastiffsrule to collect info on why people do not QT.

On a side note: nice planted freshwater tank. ;Happy

 

[Sailfinguy21]

This thread is not supposed to be a discussion on whether to QT or not, (or a lecture) but rather an honest explanation why people do not QT...No judging or trying to persuade anyone here. This was just for @Mastiffsrule to collect info on why people do not QT.

On a side note: nice planted freshwater tank. ;Happy

Ill say what i want honestly.. thanks for the comment on my fresh water tank.

I also explained i never did qt and lost my fish because of it.. I like to give alot of information.. take it or leave it.

 

[Paul B]

Curious - then - how do you know>. - I mean - you kind of implied that you knew - is that the secret *diatom filtration or is it miraculous immunity? either way - im good

How do I know what? I know diatom filters will filter out parasites, that is a scientific fact soI would assume that if you are worried about parasites, as many people seem to be, then why not use a diatom filter to eliminate them?
I myself don't have to worry or think about parasites but I know many people do. Yes, my fish are totally immune.

No excuse for not having a qt tank.

You do know that my reef is almost fifty years old and nothing has been sick with anything in about 45 of those years. That is my excuse unless you can find an older quarantined tank that has been healthy that long.

 

[Sailfinguy21]

How do I know what? I know diatom filters will filter out parasites, that is a scientific fact soI would assume that if you are worried about parasites, as many people seem to be, then why not use a diatom filter to eliminate them?
I myself don't have to worry or think about parasites but I know many people do. Yes, my fish are totally immune.



You do know that my reef is almost fifty years old and nothing has been sick with anything in about 45 of those years. That is my excuse unless you can find an older quarantined tank that has been healthy that long.

Youre really lucky then.. All my fish looked like that kole tang and nothing i did stopped it until i did hypo... after that it was a lesson to qt fish.. like i said some people are lucky.. i wasnt. I litterally had the ebola of ich.. Hell i had only 1 fish left in my 135 gallon snd he STILL was being riddled with it.. cant be much stress free then being solo in 135 gallons lol

 

[Paul B]

I doubt I could be lucky for that long. I just keep my fish healthy and immune by making sure there are diseases always present. My fish all spawn and only die of old age so I don't have any need of a hospital tank, medications or quarantine.

 

[Jay Z]

I haven’t qt’ed ever in my 28 years.

Personally I think it’s a waste of time and money.

I practice the diversity route.

 

[Daniel92481]

QT is for sickos!

 

[lpsouth1978]

After loosing iver 800$ in fish.. from tangs. To butterfly fidh. To angels.. to dottybavks snd royal grammas and you name it to ich..

Yea i am never not quarantining and treating fish.

Nope...

I setup two qt tanks in my bedroom next to my 135 gallon tank. One is a 20g long. One is a 5.5g. Anyone who claims they have no room or no money to buy a 20g tank for 20$ with a 15$ hob and a 15$ heater is just plain fracking lazy.. I have a 10x12 bedroom. Guess what i have a full sized bed.. A 6 foot 135 gallon fish tank in front of it.. a 20g QT next to the 135.. my computer in my closet ( yes i use a diff closet for cloths lol) and i have a 60 gallon hexagon next to my bed with my 5.5g qt under it on the stand.

And i can open and close my door and can move around in my room and even lay on the floor...

So i dont see how no one has room for even a 6 gallon or 10 gallon qt.

I did hyposalinitity on my 135g.. yes in the 135g.. i took all my corals out put them in the 20g at the time i had maybe 25 frags.. and did hypo in the main tank.. i did hypo for 2 months.. I put my corals back in snails back in.. and its been 4 months and i havent seen a single ich spot since.

Now i habe 50 corals and some the size of basketballs so i cant do hypo like that again unless i got a bigger qt.. but if i had to get a bigger qt tank guess whst id put it under my 135 gallon tank... plenty of room down there... or id put it in my kitchen if i had too..

No excuse for not having a qt tank.


I really hope you guys who dont qt dont have to deal eith losing near 1000$ in fish like i did. I really hope you dont. Because when it happens.. and yes i mean when it happens.. Youre going to cry hard and kick yourself like i did.

I read all the i feed roids and overfeed.. and use garlic and stress free and ok yea that works.. but really you spend so much money on food but you cant spend 40$ on a ft tank with a filter and heater ? Makes sense to me... not...

I aint saying feeding and crap doesnt work.. but one of these days.... ONE OF THESE DAYS something will happen.. and youll be sorry.. Guy on youtube who has a big channle did thus.. and one day something happened and he lost half his fish from the ich he was managing perfectly fine for a awhile.

See this fish... This was a kole tang i had before hyposalnity.

A LOT of absolutes in this rant.

I can give you one absolute that trumps all of yours. are you ready?

There are NO ABSOLUTES in this hobby. Are your fish free of ich? Perhaps. Are they free of velvet? Maybe, though hypo does nothing to stop it. Could a heater blow at anytime and kill everything? Sure. A Pump develop a short and fry my tank? Could happen. Could I NOT QT and still not lose a fish to ich or another illness? Numerous reefers have shown that it is possible.

My point is, be careful when speaking in absolutes, because few things are.

 

[Sailfinguy21]

I doubt I could be lucky for that long. I just keep my fish healthy and immune by making sure there are diseases always present. My fish all spawn and only die of old age so I don't have any need of a hospital tank, medications or quarantine.

I mean if you want i could go to the store where i got this version of ebola ich from, buy a nicely covered fish and ship it to you and see if your theory works still.

Lol im joking.. but yes.. I got whatever strain of ich i had from a locsl store.. for the longest time my fish never got sick.. then boom right after i bought that butterfly fish ( who had no spots at the time) he sure did after 48 hrs and a week and teo weeks after that all my fish got it.

And they all looked like my kole tang and died in 4 or so days... i bought new fish where i used to buy them thinking eh i can manage it... same thing.. in 3 days they got riddled.. then 3 days later dead..

After battlin ng it for 4 months i gave up... and moved my corals and did hyposalinity.. bought 1000$ in fish and not one fish got sick from ebola ich waited 2 months in hypo.

And its been 4 months.. and not one spot

 

[Paul B]

QT is for sickos!

I wouldn't say that. Plenty of people QT and it is their method.

 

[Sailfinguy21]

I dont like to qt.. i agree eith everyone it sucks and i hate it.. but after ME personally seeing the death of over 35 fish and 15 tangs im just too freaked out to buy fish and toss em in.

Also i dont use copper.. i agree 100% its one nasty med.. I qt for ich thats all mainly and if i see it i do hypo or tank transfer.. mainly hypo as i dont have to move the fish constantly


That store where i got whatever that ebola like ich strain was from.. Still has it.. when i pop in i see fish riddled and dying days later... It deff isnt velvet as hypo cured it for me.. but man whatever they have its nasty as hell man

 

[Paul B]

I mean if you want i could go to the store where i got this version of ebola ich from, buy a nicely covered fish and ship it to you and see if your theory works still.

I can assure you that I could put it in my tank and my fish would just laugh at it.

People have been telling me I am lucky for 45 years. Virtually all of those people left the hobby for various reasons and I am still lucky.
If my tank crashes now people will say, see, thats because you didn't quarantine. If my tank was up for 100 years and it crashed, they would say the same thing. It's luck. Not that I discovered the secret how to keep fish immune, but I am lucky. OK, I am lucky. If that is true, then I learned the secret on how to be lucky. Spin that any way you like, but my fish don't get sick. I am sorry but thats just the way it is.

 

[Jay Z]

No excuse for not having a qt tank.

I aint saying feeding and crap doesnt work.. but one of these days.... ONE OF THESE DAYS something will happen.. and youll be sorry..

Funny thing is every sick fish I usually see on here is in qt or just out of qt.

I put my hippo in my tank with internal parasites. He lives. Put a tiny one in my kitchen tank, same thing. He lives. When I bought my purple tang, he had ich, went right in, he lives.

 

[Gareth elliott]

I normally QT my fish, though not sure what use this is as i have never setup an invert qt.
Started during my freshwater dwarf cichlid days, Blue rams would always arrive with fw velve and plants with snails. Evolved with saltwater as copper and freshwater fish is a no no.

Posting as my last addition i did not qt. And why i didn’t.

Lost all of my fish to a power outage this summer. After weeks of staring at a tank of corals. I missed the movement the interaction of having fish with my corals. I decided i wanted one fish. Spent another week thinking what type. Decided on a dwarf angel. I did not qt for the following reasons.
1). Only fish in the tank, no others to infect.
2). I was buying in person, i could ensure the fish i was buying was eating, was free of outward signs of disease.
3.) i have a cycled hospital for fish that was running in case i did need to treat for something that popped up.
4). Without a fish in my tank i was honestly thinking of breaking the tank down.
5). Will remain the only fish till i movepossibly longer i picked a rather agressive species of dwarf lol)

 

[Sailfinguy21]

Funny thing is every sick fish I usually see on here is in qt or just out of qt.

I put my hippo in my tank with internal parasites. He lives. Put a tiny one in my kitchen tank, same thing. He lives. When I bought my purple tang, he had ich, went right in, he lives.

Im just ssying you saw the pic of my kole tang right ?? He was the last fish in my 135 gallon tank.. and i bought him fresh from a store that has no parasites. And him being alone in my 135g he ended up like that picture.. So i am a firm believer their are different strains of ich.. and the one i had was nasty as hell lol.