Red Sea Fail, very harsh!! But truthful IMO.

[Cell]

Ummmmm.... Let's see - UWC builds aquariums - and is located in the Twin Cities. Last time I checked: https://www.uwcmn.com/services - which Is why I mentioned them - they also do aquarium maintenance. For the rest of the readers: "Let Underwater Creations, Inc. help you create the beauty of what you have dreamt and exceed all of your expectations. We pride ourselves in being the best luxury aquarium design, fabrication, installation and professional aquarium maintenence company in the Twin Cities." - I'm not suggesting that I contacted them - only that there are many more than 3 aquarium services in MN. https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=aquariumservices&find_loc=minneapolis,+mn


As to the veracity of my claim - Do your own research. How do I know if employees from a company want it broadcast what they think? I guess I'm curious - perhaps I just don't remember - what's your skin in the game here? Did you have a broken RedSea tank?

"Largest aquarium maintenance company in the city" was your statement. Not just any aquarium maintenance company. This is the LARGEST thereby implying the info is more trustworthy or verifiable, opposed to some small little company run out of some guys house.

Whether or not someone has a RedSea tank is completely irrelevant to the discussion and is more deflection from a very simple question to answer. Again, we see the veracity of your 70% RS ownership claim you have touted in multiple posts by your unwillingness to share which LFS or maintenance company told this to you.

You are doing backflips to avoid answering when the only reason not to answer is because it's just not true.

 

[Sleepingtiger]

I have owned two red sea G1 750xxl.

The reason why the tanks failed at the seam in the middle of the tank is because the supporting stand would bow and cause the bottom glass bow. This created intense pressure on the silicon to keep the bottom panel from bowing because the front panel doesn't bow. Eventually the silicon will fail and cause the bottom front seem to fail.

That is why RS sent out the upgrade kits that put a aluminum brace to support the front of the tank. Honestly, this is more of a stand issue than an aquarium issue. I know many RS owners end up building a metal stand for their tanks and have not had any issues.

 

[MnFish1]

"Largest aquarium maintenance company in the city" was your statement. Not just any aquarium maintenance company. This is the LARGEST thereby implying the info is more trustworthy or verifiable, opposed to some small little company run out of some guys house.

Whether or not someone has a RedSea tank is completely irrelevant to the discussion and is more deflection from a very simple question to answer. Again, we see the veracity of your 70% RS ownership claim you have touted in multiple posts by your unwillingness to share which LFS or maintenance company told this to you.

You are doing backflips to avoid answering when the only reason not to answer is because it's just not true.

LOL - I have no reason to lie. UWC claims to be the largest aquarium maintenance company in the twin cities. So does Premier. There are multiple others who claim to be the biggest/best, etc.

However, I will acknowledge. I should have said something like 'One of the best aquarium maintenance companies in the area'. Would that change your mind - of course not - and I would still be giving you the same answer - if you think I'm lying prove me wrong Make some calls - like one of the posters in his area - did - and 2 companies recommended RedSea. I'll state I bought my tank from BRS in 2016. When the issues came up about the problems - I called RedSea, I called BRS and an LFS - all of them stated that the metal support that goes in the middle of the tank should fix the problem 3/3 of the LFS I go to have had RedSea tanks set up as 'displays' for years.

Since this issue came up again I again reached out to various stores/etc and need a new reef tank - I was debating whether to get a RedSea tank or not - and the information I received did not dissuade me from doing so. The reason I told you to do your own research is exactly because of the way you're posting. If I told you who I called you would still have to call them lol. So - go ahead, call around. Get opinions aside from people that have had problems. Go to the RedSea thread - read the 412 pages of people talking about their tanks - and how many are buying new ones.

By the way - of course - it's totally possible that if you called 3 stores you might get completely different answers. Which is why I said - post them. However, I have never intentionally 'lied' on this site - and I have to say I'm a bit irritated that that seems to be your thesis.

 

[MnFish1]

PS - you skipped over the fact that you mentioned that I was trying to distract (paraphrased) the thread by mentioning UWC - when I posted information that UWC is an aquarium maintenance company you just ignored it. And - AFAIK - they are a large one in the market in the Twin Cities.

 

[Sleepingtiger]

I would also say this. Having setup two RS 750XXL. The stand is crap. Its particle board with a thick coat of paint. Also, setting up the stand is similar to Ikea. Key difference is the 30 something adjustable legs on the bottom.

Just my experience as a wood worker and some knowledge of physics. The stand has to be absolutely level. All the legs need to support the weight equally. This allows the stand to equally support the weight of the tank and prevent the bottom of the tank from bowing. When I set up my tank, i would level the stand without the tank. Place the tank, check the feets of the stand to make sure none were loose or too tight. This too me is crucial. I want the tank to have the same support throughout.

Because the setup of the stand is quite complicated, I can guess some of the failures were due to improper setup of the stand in combination with the stand bowing causing stress on the front center bottom seem.

 

[Cell]

Some classic deflection tactics being used here, but the one quick easy way to prove me wrong not provided. I will leave it at that.

 

[Cell]

PS - you skipped over the fact that you mentioned that I was trying to distract (paraphrased) the thread by mentioning UWC - when I posted information that UWC is an aquarium maintenance company you just ignored it. And - AFAIK - they are a large one in the market in the Twin Cities.

Suggesting I call UWC to fact check your claim knowing everything we know about UWC's practices aka lies, speaks volumes.

Also, I didn't ignore the comment altogether. Small company run out of his house = UWC.

 

[MnFish1]

I would also say this. Having setup two RS 750XXL. The stand is crap. Its particle board with a thick coat of paint. Also, setting up the stand is similar to Ikea. Key difference is the 30 something adjustable legs on the bottom.

Just my experience as a wood worker and some knowledge of physics. The stand has to be absolutely level. All the legs need to support the weight equally. This allows the stand to equally support the weight of the tank and prevent the bottom of the tank from bowing. When I set up my tank, i would level the stand without the tank. Place the tank, check the feets of the stand to make sure none were loose or too tight. This too me is crucial. I want the tank to have the same support throughout.

Because the setup of the stand is quite complicated, I can guess some of the failures were due to improper setup of the stand in combination with the stand bowing causing stress on the front center bottom seem.

It's not particle board - If you look at the website - it plainly states its not particle board. I would suggest that you recheck your data. Having set up three of them - I agree they are somewhat difficult. - The worst part IMHO - is that all of the (multiple) legs - are adjustable - including the back legs - of course - when full of water - its quite difficult to adjust these if the tank is full of 1600 lbs of water. However per the RedSea Website: "These aquariums sit on extra durable HPL coated plywood Marine Spec cabinets for greater water resistance, with fully adjustable feet for perfect leveling on any surface."

 

[C4ctus99]

I feel like I’m at a nascar race… everyone just going around in big circles

 

[C4ctus99]

It's not particle board - If you look at the website - it plainly states its not particle board. I would suggest that you recheck your data. Having set up three of them - I agree they are somewhat difficult. - The worst part IMHO - is that all of the (multiple) legs - are adjustable - including the back legs - of course - when full of water - its quite difficult to adjust these if the tank is full of 1600 lbs of water. However per the RedSea Website: "These aquariums sit on extra durable HPL coated plywood Marine Spec cabinets for greater water resistance, with fully adjustable feet for perfect leveling on any surface."

Do you know if they ever used particle board or when a change was made if they did? Might be why several people think that it isn’t marine grade plywood

 

[MnFish1]

Suggesting I call UWC to fact check your claim knowing everything we know about UWC's practices aka lies, speaks volumes.

Also, I didn't ignore the comment altogether. Small company run out of his house = UWC.

Get over it. Call BRS - ask them if they feel there is a difference between waterbox and Redsea. I wasn't recommending UWC. I was suggesting that there are multiple variously graded aquarium companies in the twin cities. Please stop putting words in my mouth

 

[MnFish1]

I feel like I’m at a nascar race… everyone just going around in big circles

I'm about to exit the race for a pitstop. Since one person - seems to have an agenda. Not sure why - however it's getting tiresome. My bottom line for anyone considering an aquarium - call multiple vendors - and get their opinions

 

[MnFish1]

Do you know if they ever used particle board or when a change was made if they did? Might be why several people think that it isn’t marine grade plywood

When I bought my Gen 1 tank in 2016 - its my understanding (of course I didn't take a biopsy lol) - the comment was that the majority of the stand (structural) - was Marine plywood. I will say that the kick-plate - was particle board. and the way it was installed (and perhaps I made a mistake) - it swelled up. They offered to replace the stand at below cost - however - Its been fine for 5 years.

 

[Sleepingtiger]

It's not particle board - If you look at the website - it plainly states its not particle board. I would suggest that you recheck your data. Having set up three of them - I agree they are somewhat difficult. - The worst part IMHO - is that all of the (multiple) legs - are adjustable - including the back legs - of course - when full of water - its quite difficult to adjust these if the tank is full of 1600 lbs of water. However per the RedSea Website: "These aquariums sit on extra durable HPL coated plywood Marine Spec cabinets for greater water resistance, with fully adjustable feet for perfect leveling on any surface."

maybe it was the back panel that was particle board, i am probably wrong. They are really heavy for being plywood though.

The bottom panel can be removed to get access to the legs. But I would not be adjust any legs after you added water. By then it is already too late. All adjustments need to be made with stand by itself. The legs then need to be checked after placing an empty tank on the stand.

 

[MnFish1]

IMHO - it seems like there are people on R2R - and I'm not referring to anyone here - that love to tear companies down - disproving everything. I tend to be more trusting. While - in this instance - I fully understand the pain of an aquarium breaking - HORRIBLE - I am not sure it can be referred to the majority of owners of Either RedSea Gen 1 or 2. For example - why would many LFS recommend them? IDK - Maybe others have the answer. I do not.

 

[MnFish1]

maybe it was the back panel that was particle board, i am probably wrong. They are really heavy for being plywood though.

The bottom panel can be removed to get access to the legs. But I would not be adjust any legs after you added water. By then it is already too late. All adjustments need to be made with stand by itself. The legs then need to be checked after placing an empty tank on the stand.

Correct!

 

[Cell]

Hey why not call underwater creations also.

Get over it. Call BRS - ask them if they feel there is a difference between waterbox and Redsea. I wasn't recommending UWC. I was suggesting that there are multiple variously graded aquarium companies in the twin cities. Please stop putting words in my mouth

The irony of one of the most critical and demanding users on the site, and also prideful scientist, complaining about someone asking him to cite his sources is not lost on me.

 

[C4ctus99]

For example - why would many LFS recommend them? IDK - Maybe others have the answer. I do not.

I think this is something both sides have talked about here… one being that it makes good profit, the other being that there is no issue so people can in good conscious sell them.

Answer is probably somewhere in the middle, it’s high end, makes good profit, and they don’t believe it’s anymore likely to fail than any other tank they sell.

Not certain how many people have RS tank failures and go back to retailer instead of manufacturer. My Aqueon 75g failed and I never actually went back to petco to get my money back. But in the times I’ve been back since, after looking at the quality of the larger tanks they have, I wouldn’t get another one.

I could be wrong on this though. I’m sure if I paid $3500 for it instead of $140 I would be waging war with anyone in my path

 

[MnFish1]

The irony of one of the most critical and demanding users on the site, and also prideful scientist, complaining about someone asking him to cite his sources is not lost on me.

Great - I'm going to just ignore you. LOL - you have no interest in finding out the actual issue - you only have an issue with me.

 

[Cell]

Yes, its a conspiracy against you, not just a desire to verify the statistic you have shared.