RR Sunset Milli---- Really?? C'mon Man!

[ptboy6]

Reef Raft is awesome! I've just bought the sunset this monday. I'm still new to the whole reefing hobby (almost 1 year in). I just thought it's a nice coral. I saw it next to 2 other sunset colonies and this one is the nicest out of them.
Anyhow, here's a picture of the frag I just got.

 

[Frick]

no hes the only one tagging his name purely for profit for friends....

He is not the only one. It all depend on how the buyer resells it too. Jason Fox tags all his stuff. You can call Leng Sys Cap just a Cap but it is something unique that i believe deserves his name on it. Do you say Pink Lemonade Acro or Steve Tyrees Pink Lemonade Acro?

 

[-Logzor]

Reef Raft is awesome! I've just bought the sunset this monday. I'm still new to the whole reefing hobby (almost 1 year in). I just thought it's a nice coral. I saw it next to 2 other sunset colonies and this one is the nicest out of them.
Anyhow, here's a picture of the frag I just got.

I'm digging it, looks similar to Kurt's piece, too. Obviously the image on their website doesn't do it justice.

 

[Troylee]

He is not the only one. It all depend on how the buyer resells it too. Jason Fox tags all his stuff. You can call Leng Sys Cap just a Cap but it is something unique that i believe deserves his name on it. Do you say Pink Lemonade Acro or Steve Tyrees Pink Lemonade Acro?

I call it the pink lemonade lol... It was different back in the day like I said before... What I'm saying is his friends give him a piece to tag so they can charge more... Hence rr sunset not tyrees sunset Millie...

 

[darryl_v]

As I've learned from sposors and members here if you leave out the originator of the coral it may not be the same. Pink lemonade could be a pink and green millepora that someone named.....but tyree pink lemonade is the one we all know and love. It all gets very complicated you know

 

[Frick]

As I've learned from sposors and members here if you leave out the originator of the coral it may not be the same. Pink lemonade could be a pink and green millepora that someone named.....but tyree pink lemonade is the one we all know and love. It all gets very complicated you know

YES! With out distinction between the two we get for example every red Acropora being called Red Planet.

 

[KJAG]

Lol, I think you're missing the point. Nobody's in opposition of named corals, or signature pieces. This thread was simply a mention of the revolving door of LE pieces lately from Tyree.

 

[Reefing8EZ]

Lol, I think you're missing the point. Nobody's in opposition of named corals, or signature pieces. This thread was simply a mention of the revolving door of LE pieces lately from Tyree.

So, should he stop collecting and propagating coral because not 100% of his latest LE are to your standards?
Should we bash other vendors that stamp their name on coral and not 100% of it is awesome?
I think this thread should be closed ad a new one opened for the coral in question. RR sunset Mille and keep on topic.. JMO..

 

[Reefing8EZ]

To me "LE" is just his trademark for corals he selects to farm, propagate, and sell.
Just like SC, RO, BPC, RR, etc..
Buy the ones you like and don't buy the ones you don't. Not 100% of what you see someone offer is gonna be to your liking..

 

[droblack]

That frag looks sweet PT. As for people naming stuff and making money, they are in the business and not just hobbiests. So as crazy as it can get, not surprising it gets crazy.

Tyree used to keep corals a long time before LE'ing them. That way could see how the colors held up, growth rates, and fraggability. Is that not happening anymore?

 

[darryl_v]

Lol, I think you're missing the point. Nobody's in opposition of named corals, or signature pieces. This thread was simply a mention of the revolving door of LE pieces lately from Tyree.

I think he has always been hit or miss its just that the misses get forgotten over time and we only associate the good...ie pink lemonade,purple monster etc. There are lots of old LE pieces that just didn't stand the test of time.

 

[mcarroll]

To me "LE" is just his trademark for corals he selects to farm, propagate, and sell.
Just like SC, RO, BPC, RR, etc..
Buy the ones you like and don't buy the ones you don't. Not 100% of what you see someone offer is gonna be to your liking..

I agree and I think that's how most people see it too.

FWIW, here's what Steve says it means:

Limited Editions - These corals form the main business within Reeffarmers. Limited Edition (LE) corals are rare and exotic corals that Steve has collected over the years and continues to collect to this very day. In the past demand for these corals was very strong. Strong demand can actually cause problems for farmers. Over harvesting was a consistant problem with early exotic coral farming enterprises. To better match distribution (harvesting rates) with customer demand, Reeffarmers had implemented a harvesting reservation system. The rate of harvest was based on the growth rate of the farmed coral. We have however decided in July of 2010 to discontinue the reservation process for new corals. This is primarly a recognition of the current state of the US economy and its future short term prospects. In these economic conditions, it is very difficult to have reservations that are a few years into the future become realized as valid orders. This is because many people are experiencing work and resident displacements and changes. We will keep records of the old reservations on the corals LE web page. We will also continue to create LE web pages for new LE corals. The only change is that we wont take reservations. Right now we release each First Edition LE as a Buy It Now on the page at the top of our menu. We also intend to sell additional captive grown fragments of the LE corals through our Buy It Now page. Since we no longer have to setup reservations records for new corals, we will be able to release new LE corals one at a time whenever they are ready. Please note - we are not trademarking the use of the term 'Limited Edition' with respect to harvested coral fragments. Reeffarmers was the first to use the term with respect to corals and we believe it should now be considered a common usage term within the captive coral industry.

 

[landlord]

Tyree used to keep corals a long time before LE'ing them. That way could see how the colors held up, growth rates, and fraggability. Is that not happening anymore?

It is still happening very much but he currently is in transition. He moved about 3 months ago from California to Texas in the hopes of finding a better business in which to run a business. The move to Texas took its toll on his sponges and cryptic critters (25% loss). He is still in the process of getting the building setup which is a temporary warehouse until he gets his aquaculture facility up and running at another TX location. He is a one man show out there so I imagine it is simply a lot of work.

He is still collecting corals, sponges, etc... Just that his focus currently is getting the business set up and running. He is dealing with all the same issues that regular businesses deal with so its slow coming. The coral evaluation program has not kicked off in earnest again but while moving he did stop in Arizona at Ocean Wonders to pick up some gems.

Kurt

 

[WesF]

Tyree used to keep corals a long time before LE'ing them. That way could see how the colors held up, growth rates, and fraggability. Is that not happening anymore?

No. That is the complaint. Nobody is complaining about tyree naming corals. People are upset because he is very quick to put an LE stamp on anything and doesn't even keep a piece for himself to grow out and frag. He gets it in the mail, names it, then sells it. Some of them have only been collected months ago.

I used to be a big collector of Tyree corals. I have many of them. I don't have a problem with him naming and selling for alot of money. I am disappointed because the standards for "LE" have gone way down.

 

[SPSkeeper]

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. Tyree is making a living in the hobby. Some people like it, some don't. At least he's not committing a crime doing what he likes to do and is good at it. He actually kind of reminds me of a car salesman or any typical mechanic that tries to get one over on the customer. If your ignorant about the problem or situation, your vulnerable to over-paying, simple as that. That's how the economy works, supply and demand. That's also why I have never had one single "named" coral in my tanks, never have and never will. Life is too short to worry about this LE and named stuff. If it's not your cup of tea, than so be it. If you like it and have the finances and it makes you feel good, go for it. Everybody's different and that's the spice of life. It would be a very bland world if everyone was the same.

 

[mcarroll]

[....] Tyree is making a living in the hobby. Some people like it, some don't.[....]

Well said - the whole thing. (I only edited your comment for my reply.)

The *really* funny (aka sad) part to me is that he's been taking this kind of crap (my word for it) from the "reefing community" for as long as he's been farming corals...or at least since I've been aware of things (early-to-mid 90's). It may well say something about him (never met him myself) but it definitely says something about "people" and I think your comment also touched on this.

I've never quite understood it myself...seems irrational. Do people complain like this about paying for (e.g.) an ear of corn that was farmed just because they could grow an ear of corn from seed from last year for free?

Nope. And corals are no different. No different to the point that whether "people" know it or not that ear of corn is most often from branded seed which costs much more than "home made". It may as well have "RR's Tyree LE Corn" stamped on it as far as this thread is concerned! LOL.

-Matt

P.S. Jokes and silliness aside, it would be nice if "people" took things in life like the corn example more seriously (it's real) and in turn worried a little less about things like Steve Tyree's profit margins. (If the nay-sayers are all correct, then the Tyree "problem" will ultimately take care of itself via lack of customers. Not so sure about the other issues....they may actually be in need of attention.)

 

[SunnyX]

sorry lee but Sunny def didnt originate the "susnet mille" and nor is hiS the "original"...This morph has been around FOREVER......I see a ton pretty much every time I go to the bay. Finding a nice, healthy one is a different story, though.

I know I'm a few years late to the party but I need to clear something up. The Sunset Mille with my name attached to it came about when my first Rimless Reef was becoming popular. Everyone kept asking me about the large "yellow" coral in the center of the tank. The coral was incredibly fast growing and in demand so I began to sell it. I sold large frags (3"+) locally for as little as $15-20. If a coral pack was purchased and the Sunset Mille was not in the order I would throw it in as a freebie.

Now, the coral itself was brought in as a wild coral, perhaps 16 years ago. It was green in my system for a few months and then completely bleached out. I thought it was dead and left it on the sandbed as I thought I seen some polyps. Well, the coral came back, this time yellow with orange/red hues. Ever since then it has displayed an intense yellow coloration, much more so than many of the other Sunsets I have come across. Given its increased yellow pigment I would classify it as a morph. The coral is also extremely hardy and a proven "winner". More than hobbyist purchase corals based on lineage because they know they are getting a coral that is hardy, healthy and has a proven track record.

Yes there are thousand of Sunset Milles coming in from the wild every week, but how many of them acclimate properly to the home aquarium? How many will retain their color and actually grow? We have many morphs in this hobby and they really are special. I do understand what you're saying with everyone labeling the "same" coral differently and do find it troublesome when a wild coral is suddenly named and released.

Concerning the many corals that appear to be the same with different labels: One example I can give in the Pink Lemonade. I had to purchase seven different frags until I received the proper morph. All other frags just didn't have the correct yellow pigment.

 

[Russ265]

the only sunset mille that matters is rommel's insane sunset mille.

/gets off soap box