Seriously. Need help from going off the ledge.

Huskymaniac · Apr 21, 2018

Ok not serious, lol. How is this possible. Tank had ich last year. Went 90 day fallow and all fish were treated with coppersafe. Nearly killed them all in an overdose but saved them with the Hannah checker. Today I added the fish back. Noticed that my kole tang has white spots on its pectoral fin and one of my margqrita cardinals has white spots on its tail fin. Didnt notice these in QT probablly because the light wasnt as bright. There has to be a logical explanation right? No way ick can surive 3 weeks of coppersafe at 3.0 and 1 week at 2.0 and then dissapear for 2 weeks then reappear after a fish is moved?

Humblefish · Apr 21, 2018

Did you add any corals/inverts to your DT during the fallow period??

Huskymaniac · Apr 21, 2018

Added some stuff from ORA but I noticed the white spots once the fish were in the display tank. It had to be on the fish prior to moving over.

melypr1985 · Apr 21, 2018

Huskymaniac said:
Added some stuff from ORA but I noticed the white spots once the fish were in the display tank. It had to be on the fish prior to moving over.

Possibly. How long before the fish were added back were the ORA items added to the display?

Jeepguy242 · Apr 21, 2018

correct me if i am wrong, but dont the white spots happen after the ich leaves the fish? if so then you may be safe

HotRocks · Apr 21, 2018

Jeepguy242 said:
correct me if i am wrong, but dont the white spots happen after the ich leaves the fish? if so then you may be safe

Actually I do believe the white spots we see are "entrance wounds". It's irritation on the skin/mucus coating from entry, then the parasites work their way towards the gills.

Huskymaniac said:
Ok not serious, lol. How is this possible. Tank had ich last year. Went 90 day fallow and all fish were treated with coppersafe. Nearly killed them all in an overdose but saved them with the Hannah checker. Today I added the fish back. Noticed that my kole tang has white spots on its pectoral fin and one of my margqrita cardinals has white spots on its tail fin. Didnt notice these in QT probablly because the light wasnt as bright. There has to be a logical explanation right? No way ick can surive 3 weeks of coppersafe at 3.0 and 1 week at 2.0 and then dissapear for 2 weeks then reappear after a fish is moved?

You never had a fish disappear prior to removal did you? Or throw one in the sump jail and forget about it? @4FordFamily had a small fish make his way to the sump years back without knowing, that was able to survive the fallow period, living off algae, which wasn't really fallow, and fish became re-infected immediately upon return to DT.

Possible cross contimation? Once fish we're out of copper is it possible you contaminated between fallow DT and QT?

Are your DT and QT at least 10' apart? If kept in same room?

These^^^ are possible if you think they were already re-infected when you put them in DT?

Depending on when you added the ORA stuff, could be the culprit.

4FordFamily · Apr 21, 2018

^^ Well, that was comprehensive! Thanks for reminding me, Kyle!

But in all seriousness, if you added anything wet, it could have brought parasites with it that infected your fish upon return.

Pics?

Jeepguy242 · Apr 21, 2018

HotRocks said:
Actually I do believe the white spots we see are "entrance wounds".

i did not know that... i thought they were after.... Thanks

Huskymaniac · Apr 21, 2018

All my tanks are in the basement. It would have been pretty hard to cross contaminate. QT tanks all had copper at the same time. Display tank well over 10 feet away. ORA stuff added 3 weeks ago but isnt that a stretch? Definitly no little fishies left behind. Logically thinking here I added fish back to my display who did not have a parasite and then within 30 mi utes of hitting the display tank water developed ick spots? I am either dealing with something else or the QT copper treatment failed. FWIW the Kole Tang had no more spots just before. My clownfish though wqs acting weird swimming in front of one of the wavemaker pumps. I did notice some yawning quite a few of the fish but think this may have to do with chanhe in water and oxygenation between display and quarantine.

don_chuwish · Apr 21, 2018

It could definitely have been on the ORA frags/plugs. I introduced crypto to a tank with a new zoa rock once.

HotRocks · Apr 21, 2018

Jeepguy242 said:
i did not know that... i thought they were after.... Thanks

You're welcome.

Huskymaniac said:
All my tanks are in the basement. It would have been pretty hard to cross contaminate. QT tanks all had copper at the same time. Display tank well over 10 feet away. ORA stuff added 3 weeks ago but isnt that a stretch? Definitly no little fishies left behind. Logically thinking here I added fish back to my display who did not have a parasite and then within 30 mi utes of hitting the display tank water developed ick spots? I am either dealing with something else or the QT copper treatment failed. FWIW the Kole Tang had no more spots just before. My clownfish though wqs acting weird swimming in front of one of the wavemaker pumps. I did notice some yawning quite a few of the fish but think this may have to do with chanhe in water and oxygenation between display and quarantine.

The new corals are a likely possibility. What I cannot attest to is noticing spots that quickly. If it's velvet, it's possible I guess?
When you added those it should have reset your 76 day fallow period.

Only being three weeks old, very likely there were free swimming dinospores in the DT waiting on fish to host though.

Huskymaniac · Apr 21, 2018

don_chuwish said:
It could definitely have been on the ORA frags/plugs. I introduced crypto to a tank with a new zoa rock once.

I am skeptical. I did ordsr directly from ORA. Everything there is aquacultured so how do they end up with ick?

HotRocks · Apr 21, 2018

Huskymaniac said:
I am skeptical. I did ordsr directly from ORA. Everything there is aquacultured so how do they end up with ick?

Ora sells fish too. That's all it takes.

Huskymaniac · Apr 21, 2018

HotRocks said:
You're welcome.

The new corals are a likely possibility. What I cannot attest to is noticing spots that quickly. If it's velvet, it's possible I guess?
When you added those it should have reset your 76 day fallow period.

Only being three weeks old, very likely there were free swimming dinospores in the DT waiting on fish to host though.

I dont think its velvet. Well at least not yet anyways. I have never seen a fish get hit so quick though. Has to be almost impossible which is why it makes me wonder if the QT failed and the left over copper to in the QT was suppresing things but there was still an active infection I missed. Or maube its some parasite that is not ick and not responsive to copper. Or maybe it is neither and irritation from being chased and netted. I guess time will tell.

Huskymaniac · Apr 21, 2018

HotRocks said:
Ora sells fish too. That's all it takes.

I know. Aquacultured Fish. I mean arent they grown in a lab and not exposed to anything outside?

Flexin · Apr 21, 2018

you don’t qt corals because they come from Ora?

Huskymaniac · Apr 21, 2018

Typically I do not qt corals whether from ORA or somewhere else.

4FordFamily · Apr 21, 2018

I don’t care where it comes from I’m quarantining corals, personally. All it takes is a net, or even hand/arm from a tank with fish to a tank with coral. Ask me how I know!

Anyway, I hope it’s nothing but going forward I’d avoid adding anything wet without proper fallow period.

This from the thread: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/coral-invert-quarantine-time-frames.334584/

I hope this helps!

4FordFamily · Apr 21, 2018

I would imagine it would take 24-48 hours for velvet “spots” on a fish post-addition if they were newly infected. This would be how long it takes for the insertion and body’s reaction.