Tank Crash----Complete devastation

Joe Knows Reefs · Feb 12, 2014

I've seen 3 tanks in the past 6 months crash...All 3 had treated with flat worm exit within the 2 weeks prior.

Sorry for your loss

turbo21 · Feb 12, 2014

I think it's class action. Time. This is totally. Ridiculous At least in my car and Dave's case. All directions followed. And looks like a bad batch. Who knows what chemical is actually in the bottle

hunter0906 · Feb 12, 2014

So sorry

cee · Feb 12, 2014

I emailed Champion to let them know since they sold me the product. Used to be you could contact Habib (I think that was his name) on another forum and have meaningful discussions with the Salifert folks. Now I don't even know how to contact them. Perhaps Champion will be able to.

Dave

spoggy · Feb 13, 2014

turbo21 said:
Whatever was in there the carbon and water changes pulled it out. I had a picece of pink lemonade from my wife's bio cube. And used it as a test. And it has been in the tank a few days holding color and showing polyp extension so I seem to be good. I actually went out today and bought a whole bunch of new pieces for the tank so I am now officially on the way to recovery!!!!

Oh thank god! Somehow I feel that it would be even worse to have had to go all the way back to bare glass.

turbo21 · Feb 13, 2014

cee said:
I emailed Champion to let them know since they sold me the product. Used to be you could contact Habib (I think that was his name) on another forum and have meaningful discussions with the Salifert folks. Now I don't even know how to contact them. Perhaps Champion will be able to.

Dave

I have been searching as well and can't find any contact info either

Bob

turbo21 · Feb 13, 2014

H2O said:
Lesson learned I had a tank crash as bad as yours but in my case a bad batch of Kent carbon wiped out all my sps Kent did a recall that was it couldn't keep sps alive for like a year after the crash now I just do water changes no chemicals at all if there's a bug there's always a fish that will eat it there's no need for chemicals in this hobby plus they don't work and make things worse half the time . Good luck

I understand your situation but. We are at the mercy of the
Manufacturers. You can't run a reef without chemicals of some sort. Even if you just do water changes you could still run into a bad batch of salt. I remember one person that had a tank crash due to their salt. It had almost no alkalinity in it

So yes using chemicals like fwe may increase your risk. And you can stop from using those types of chemicals. You still need. Alk. Calcium and mag additions to your tank. And at any point a bad batch may ruin all the time and work out into your tank just like the kent carbon crashes.

Do you use rodi for your tank? Do you have an extra filter on it filled with catalytic carbon in case the water company doses chloramines? It's another thing that can crash a tank easily but I know very few people spend the extra bit of money to
Protect against it

All in all you can't keep a reef without chemicals if some sort. And we cant even say stick to reputable manufacturers. Because the kent carbon crashes and now sailfert fwe crashes. Show even the big company's mess up

kurtyboh · Feb 13, 2014

I wanna cry for you, but glad your on the road to recovery!

turbo21 · Feb 13, 2014

kurtyboh said:
I wanna cry for you, but glad your on the road to recovery!

Thank you
And believe me I did cry. So sad to see a grown man in the couch crying over coral lol

eg8r210 · Feb 13, 2014

I am so sorry for your loss. Over the Christmas holidays a LFS and I had our tanks crash due to a bad batch of salt (I bought mine from them). We lost almost all our SPS so I know how you feel.

Zippy · Feb 13, 2014

I am so sorry to hear! I have all the frags from the pack I bought from you. They are doing well and as they grow if you need replacements I can try to figure shipping when the weather warms up.

Pete

shred5 · Feb 13, 2014

turbo21 said:
I understand your situation but. We are at the mercy of the
Manufacturers. You can't run a reef without chemicals of some sort. Even if you just do water changes you could still run into a bad batch of salt. I remember one person that had a tank crash due to their salt. It had almost no alkalinity in it

So yes using chemicals like fwe may increase your risk. And you can stop from using those types of chemicals. You still need. Alk. Calcium and mag additions to your tank. And at any point a bad batch may ruin all the time and work out into your tank just like the kent carbon crashes.

Do you use rodi for your tank? Do you have an extra filter on it filled with catalytic carbon in case the water company doses chloramines? It's another thing that can crash a tank easily but I know very few people spend the extra bit of money to
Protect against it

All in all you can't keep a reef without chemicals if some sort. And we cant even say stick to reputable manufacturers. Because the kent carbon crashes and now sailfert fwe crashes. Show even the big company's mess up

I had a bad batch of coralife salt along time ago.
Problem is with additives or any chemical you have to prove it is what you bought and something is wrong with it. It would need to be tested to prove there is something wrong with it. Stuff could be altered in the store by a angry employee or something too....

It stinks when a tank crashes and it stinks more if it is caused by something that was caused by a manufacturers problem.. actually it just stinks ...

spoggy · Feb 13, 2014

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vetteguy53081 · Feb 13, 2014

Had similar result happen a year ago. it was My salinity !! My Hydrometer stated 1.024. Took a sample to local Pet store, it was 1.031 !@!!!! Now I have a Milwaukee Instrument refractometer. Check your salt level. Always hope. Here is my tank now !!!

spoggy · Feb 13, 2014

Habib was last active on RC in mid January. Almost all his activity is in the "Chemistry" forum. His name there is Habib.

whixley101 · Feb 13, 2014

Just read through this whole thread and WOW!

vlangel · Feb 13, 2014

Just read your thread and I am very sorry. We had a close call with our tank 2 months ago. My husband was up and heard the chiller running at 4am! I too live in the Pgh. area so my chiller never runs in December. (A power outage fried the controller to the chiller, along with some of our cable devices). I immediately got up to find my tank at 50 degrees, and the fish swirling on the sandbed. I figured they were all dead but proceeded to do warm WCs a half gallon at a time. After 3 hours I warmed the tank to 70, and amazingly revived 4 of my 7 fish and all the corals even my crocea clam survived.
I can't even imagine the heart ache you and your family feel. It hurts just reading what you went thru. Again I am so sorry.

vlangel · Feb 13, 2014

vlangel said:
Just read your thread and I am very sorry. We had a close call with our tank 2 months ago. My husband was up and heard the chiller running at 4am! I too live in the Pgh. area so my chiller never runs in December. (A power outage fried the controller to the chiller, along with some of our cable devices). I immediately got up to find my tank at 50 degrees, and the fish swirling on the sandbed. I figured they were all dead but proceeded to do warm WCs a half gallon at a time. After 3 hours I warmed the tank to 70, and amazingly revived 4 of my 7 fish and all the corals even my crocea clam survived.
I can't even imagine the heart ache you and your family feel. It hurts just reading what you went thru. Again I am so sorry.

Oops turbo, I was thinking I'd read a thread about someone else's tank crashing from flatworm exit but now I realize that I read about you in 2 different places. Sorry I didn't remember it was you. I guess it was a senior moment!

turbo21 · Feb 14, 2014

Zippy said:
I am so sorry to hear! I have all the frags from the pack I bought from you. They are doing well and as they grow if you need replacements I can try to figure shipping when the weather warms up.

Pete

Pete

Thank you for the offer. I think this is one of the hardest things about a crash is tracking down. The pieces you really loved

Bob

vetteguy53081 · Feb 14, 2014

I now Question Flatworm exit. Had a Local reefer here with a Most awesome tank have the same experience of a crash.- TOTAL Crash!! Perhaps, one should have the elements analyzed to see what it is that they are selling. This could lead to future devastation for others. Just a Little more than coincidence!!