thinking about giving up

[brandon429]

non quarantiners/ about recommending it

this is not flame, it's to drive success and science and you may be right but there's another angle to inspect

Outbound it. Make a thread where you guide no qt fish additions and log results

Your recommend comes from your own earned skill and artistry, if that was the attainable norm nobody would qt. The need arises because only one percent pull it off for decades

But not the masses. Even my local reef friends are qt and fallow all the way

have a fifteen page thread where you guide about a hundred new tanks from setup to all fish, no qt

we use these thread statistics measures all the time in reefing where formal sources lack

It's how we all came upon fluconazole
Or peroxide
Or blackouts
Or boosting nutrients vs stripping them for invader compliance
Or Ttm and fallow

Threads are amazingly accountable claims filters

This isn't a flame, it's to set perspective as I see it...Outbound proofing is neat because it doesn't discount or measure what artists can do when given control over all variables at home.

 

[Stanzo13]

Did someone say orange spot gobies

 

[cancun]

To davocean and to other non quarantiners/ about recommending it

this is not flame, it's to drive success and science and you may be right but there's another angle to inspect

Outbound it. Make a thread where you guide no qt fish additions and log results

Your recommend comes from your own earned skill and artistry, if that was the attainable norm nobody would qt. The need arises because only one percent pull it off for decades

But not the masses. Even my local reef friends are qt and fallow all the way

have a fifteen page thread where you guide about a hundred new tanks from setup to all fish, no qt

we use these thread statistics measures all the time in reefing where formal sources lack

It's how we all came upon fluconazole
Or peroxide
Or blackouts
Or boosting nutrients vs stripping them for invader compliance
Or Ttm and fallow

Threads are amazingly accountable claims filters

This isn't a flame, it's to set perspective as I see it...Outbound proofing is neat because it doesn't discount or measure what artists can do when given control over all variables at home.

You have a good point! I personally would never recommend to a newbie to not QT. I weight the pros and cons and do what works and has worked for me for years. I think ultimately people have to make their own choices and accept the consequences as well if things go badly. My point is that people should be less critical of each other, and all work together to better the hobby. Instead of people saying my way is the only right way etc. [emoji16]

 

[reefaroo]

I'm on my 4th tank. Starting in the '70's. I had a beautiful raccoon butterfly that would eat out of your hand. I think I paid $75 for it, mind you, in '70's dollars. I was at work and my wife kept calling me to tell me one fish after another was dying. I couldn't come home. It was so frustrating. The technology was not like today at all. My last tank was about 12 years ago. Now I just set up a 12 gallon nano. Once bitten you never forget the hobby. It sounds like what you have now is doing pretty good. If I were you I would set up a quarantine if you want more fish. That's just me. I don't like snakes. LOL.

 

[Epic Aquaculture]

I think that the one thing that is universally true regarding the recommendation to QT is that most people who are adamant about it have already made the critical mistake of learning the hard way by not QTing in the past - including me. Any reefer should take advantage of this valuable piece of information gleaned from the experience of thousands of other reefers. Generally speaking, it's not a matter of if you will introduce a deadly pathogen, but when, if you do not QT (there apparently are exceptions such as Davocean but he obviously has a great LFS that QT's for him - not many have this option). Brandon429 makes a great point that if there is a highly successful way to do it without QT, there should be a thread (or threads) documenting it. There is not, and I venture to say there never will be because it is not a viable option to long term success. You are playing with fire every time you take the chance of adding a non-QT fish to your established healthy fish population. Honestly a QT does not have to be expensive, and it does not have to be placed anywhere special. I've had them on the floor of my living room before. It's only a few weeks, then I take it down, clean it, and it goes back into storage - and my wife is happy again... In my opinion there is really no excuse not to QT. You may choose not to, but don't say that you don't have the ability to. It's a risky choice, but a choice nonetheless.

 

[davocean]

To davocean and to other non quarantiners/ about recommending it

this is not flame, it's to drive success and science and you may be right but there's another angle to inspect

Outbound it. Make a thread where you guide no qt fish additions and log results

Your recommend comes from your own earned skill and artistry, if that was the attainable norm nobody would qt. The need arises because only one percent pull it off for decades

But not the masses. Even my local reef friends are qt and fallow all the way

have a fifteen page thread where you guide about a hundred new tanks from setup to all fish, no qt

we use these thread statistics measures all the time in reefing where formal sources lack

It's how we all came upon fluconazole
Or peroxide
Or blackouts
Or boosting nutrients vs stripping them for invader compliance
Or Ttm and fallow

Threads are amazingly accountable claims filters

This isn't a flame, it's to set perspective as I see it...Outbound proofing is neat because it doesn't discount or measure what artists can do when given control over all variables at home.

I don't know how this got turned around, as I absolutely advocate QT!
That was my very first comment towards helping OP w/ his struggles after a couple crashes.

I've been doing this for 33 years, back when I started most I knew did not even think to QT, so when I say I've been guilty of that in the past, that was a long time ago, long before the net and before we were better informed.

While agree over time you can develop an eye and seek healthier fish to begin with, fish like anthia are prone to uronema, which is not something that can be easily spotted, so if you do not qt your fish, you are gambling w/ your existing and new fish and a possible crash like OP.

While one member on here who actually IS advocating not QTing, he would be lucky for the most part and kind of rare case of exception I guess(aside from ich and velvet )

My advice is not based on rare cases but the most common outcome, and most probable for success in the hobby

I think to advocate not QT new fish is hugely irresponsible, and someone that works at an LFS should know this.

 

[TheWalkman99]

That’s a bummer, if your really that burned out and you tear down your tanks I would suggest to keep everything you have just Incase you get the itch to start up again someday, thus saving you a ton of dough versus buying everything again. Where in California are ya located, sounds like that lfs has a velvet factory going. I don’t quarantine but buy all my fish from the same lfs that takes pride in there fish systems.

I would like to know where in California also. I’m in SoCal and struggling to find a good store for fish. I have some good coral spots but not any good fish spots. And would like to know about any stores with issues.

 

[brandon429]

gotcha Dave. good thread good for all keepers to check out for sure. nano keepers I think need the most impulse control, its not very costly to stock up tanks nowadays and that makes these type educ threads very balancing

 

[Scott Ulrich]

I read your original thread and it was absolutely heartbreaking.

Regarding qt, for me out would be a matter of economics. I have a 125g fw cichlid and a 40g saltwater. The cost of fish in each is maybe $100-200. The financial impact isn't that great. But if I had a large tank with thousands of dollars of fish then I think I would definitely qt.

I know you said you have small kids so just make sure your hobby doesn't have a negative impact on your time and emotion good luck!!

 

[pdiehm]

I think I spent $70 on my QT system. 20 gallon long, AquaClear 50 filter, a couple of 3" pvc elbows, and bottle of biospira when I get new fish. I bought a lid off ebay for the tank with a simple LED light.

It's literally bare bones. that said, it didn't help me with 8 barrier reef chromis from Live Aquaria. All died within 30 days of being in QT, but that's another story all together, and a very common theme from Live Aquaria for me.

 

[brandon429]

i take that team mean they'd have died in the main tank too and xmitted all the baddies

 

[pdiehm]

i take that team mean they'd have died in the main tank too and xmitted all the baddies

indeed. never have had a LA fish live to make it into the display. I think I'm 0/23 and finally done using them.

 

[HB AL]

I would like to know where in California also. I’m in SoCal and struggling to find a good store for fish. I have some good coral spots but not any good fish spots. And would like to know about any stores with issues.

Seaside in HB is the only lfs i buy fish from, i havnt had a fish die in roughly 5 years and i dont qaurantine.

 

[HB AL]

I would like to know where in California also. I’m in SoCal and struggling to find a good store for fish. I have some good coral spots but not any good fish spots. And would like to know about any stores with issues.

So what are the good coral locations?

 

[TheWalkman99]

So what are the good coral locations?

I’ve been buying from the reef lounge in Anaheim. Owner is strange but the two kids working there are helpful. And great corals. An ok fish selection.
Then amazing reefs and aquariums has incredible display tanks!
Is sea side the place in HB with the feed the sharks tank in the front?

 

[HB AL]

I’ve been buying from the reef lounge in Anaheim. Owner is strange but the two kids working there are helpful. And great corals. An ok fish selection.
Then amazing reefs and aquariums has incredible display tanks!
Is sea side the place in HB with the feed the sharks tank in the front?

Thanks will look those up.
Ya seaside has that ray and shark pond not a tank, i see kids feeding kinda cool pond with waterfall.
Tong’s is a nice store with alot of different corals and usually lots of sticks, but don’t buy my fish there.

 

[MiniNina]

so sad, don't give up just try QT all your fish or you're going to keep killing fish.

 

[TheWalkman99]

Thanks will look those up.
Ya seaside has that ray and shark pond not a tank, i see kids feeding kinda cool pond with waterfall.
Tong’s is a nice store with alot of different corals and usually lots of sticks, but don’t buy my fish there.

Haven’t been to tongs yet.
I went to seaside once but I was looking at freshwater and the freshwater side didn’t look so hot. I’ll go check it out again though

 

[Todvod]

I'm not trying to bash OP w/ my statements, I saw a post where someone may need help and that was my intention.

My only point here is place blame where it belongs, not on the LFS.

I'm sorry but if you do not QT new fish, you are putting your existing fish in harms way, and in this manner, you are not being as safe and responsible as the people who do take the time and effort to QT

So, while I may sound harsh on this particular post, it's helpful to those reading to understand what is the more responsible thing to do.

If you are not QT'ing new fish, you are taking a gamble.

While QTing is a great tool to ensure health, the LFS is most certainly partly responsible as they are providing diseased animals. Yes, the whole supply chain probably has issues, but they play a part.

 

[Mebbid]

I totally get that you're thinking of quitting, its difficult to go through this problem once, much less twice.

However, this problem has an EXTREMELY easy fix: Quarantine.

Long term success isn't a quick thing, for a successful tank things need to be done slowly, most important of which is the addition of livestock. I'm in the process of restarting my tank to get rid of pests in my existing reef tank and am going to quarantine and copper treat my fish to get rid of the lingering ich in my tank. If I had done this from the outset I wouldn't be doing a complete restart now.