Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[mindme]

This material is also not just an algaecide. It is used to kill bacteria and mollusks as well, and Buckamn states:

https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/ppls/001448-00042-20140919.pdf

"Do not discharge effluent containing this product to sewer systems without previously notifying the local sewage treatment plant authority. For guidance contact your State Water Board or Regional Office of the EPA."

That certainly seems 100% clear to me that folks should NOT perform a water change and send the effluent into a sewer, no matter how convenient it may seem, without checking locally. Is a water change with it illegal? I cannot say, not being a lawyer or knowing if any material even remains in the water after use. The term "might" comes to mind. lol

This is like peeing in the ocean and people in Italy claiming you are messing with their water supply.

 

[rmorris_14]

:::SIGH::: can someone just tag me if/and when UWC posts their statement?

 

[shwareefer]

You guys sure know how to ruin Christmas.

 

[sfin52]

This material is also not just an algaecide. It is used to kill bacteria and mollusks as well, and Buckamn states:

https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/ppls/001448-00042-20140919.pdf

"Do not discharge effluent containing this product to sewer systems without previously notifying the local sewage treatment plant authority. For guidance contact your State Water Board or Regional Office of the EPA."

That certainly seems 100% clear to me that folks should NOT perform a water change and send the effluent into a sewer, no matter how convenient it may seem, without checking locally. Is a water change with it illegal? I cannot say, not being a lawyer or knowing if any material even remains in the water after use. The term "might" comes to mind. lol

Its a horrible product and trying to figure out how to dispose of it. I may just have to call the epa.

 

[LRT]

This material is also not just an algaecide. It is used to kill bacteria and mollusks as well, and Buckamn states:

https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/ppls/001448-00042-20140919.pdf

"Do not discharge effluent containing this product to sewer systems without previously notifying the local sewage treatment plant authority. For guidance contact your State Water Board or Regional Office of the EPA."

That certainly seems 100% clear to me that folks should NOT perform a water change and send the effluent into a sewer, no matter how convenient it may seem, without checking locally. Is a water change with it illegal? I cannot say, not being a lawyer or knowing if any material even remains in the water after use. The term "might" comes to mind. lol

Eureka! BTW I also reported you mwhahahahahaha

 

[Reefbuds]

.

 

[Reefbuds]

:::SIGH::: can someone just tag me if/and when UWC posts their statement?

+1

 

[Sean Clark]

So how much does it take, before it becomes wrong?

 

[LRT]

Its a horrible product and trying to figure out how to dispose of it. I may just have to call the epa.

Burn it in back yard at end of night after a good bonfire

 

[ingchr1]

While relevant to the discussion in this thread, the EPA and Busan 77 documents are irrelevant to a retail consumer of Vibrant or Marine Algaefix. The only information that is relevant, is the information provided with the products at point of purchase. For Algeafix, an employer could potentially have the added requirements of the SDS on the API website. OSHA has exemptions for consumer products, and it could potentially fall under an exemption depending upon use. The API Marine Algaefix SDS is applicable and the Busan 77 SDS is not, since the consumer is purchasing Marine Algaefix and not Busan 77. One would not be required to gather up the SDSs for the individual chemicals contained in a product, just the SDS for that specific product.

As an example of a different pesticide I randomly pulled up what's on the label of Ortho Home Defense, and it has a statement on disposal if partially filled. Which is to never place unused product down the drain, including sewer. Vibrant and Marine Algaefix have no statements on unused product on their labels. Marine Algaefix does have a statement about not contaminating water or feed by storage or disposal, but this is not as clear as the statement on the Ortho and open to interpretation by a retail consumer. If it was clearly marked as a pesticide (like the Ortho), then one would be more likely to know that it needed to be handled in accordance with thier state and local regulations.

Ortho Home Defense Label:

Marine Algaefix Label:

Vibrant Label:

 

[Lyss]

For the past two or three days looking at this thread feels like Groundhog Day. But for me personally it's gone from intriguing, to disturbing, to funny.

I keep getting sucked back in b/c I see it on the homepage and think, "oh, did the company finally make a statement" but instead it's always, well...

Please, please, please make it stop.

 

[sfin52]

If vibrant is algaefix as it appears, I imagine they are in a lot of trouble. I don't think there is much disagreement on that.

We are more talking about how people can dispose of it. Randy has claimed it "might" be illegal to do water changes and pour your tank water that you treated with it down the drain. But algaefix has disposal instructions that are approved by the EPA and the product is EPA approved and it says nothing of the sort.

I don't know why they are trying to make it out as though I am claiming all pesticides are safe to pour down the drain. He just doesn't want to admit he made a mistake in his claim really.

People do not need to worry about doing water changes after using these products.

Just read the sds nothing about sewer and drains.
Product / Packaging
disposal
Recycle wherever possible.
Consult manufacturer for recycling options or consult local or regional waste management authority for disposal if no
suitable treatment or disposal facility can be identified.
Dispose of by: burial in a land-fill specifically licensed to accept chemical and / or pharmaceutical wastes or incineration
in a licensed apparatus (after admixture with suitable combustible material).

 

[fishguy242]

Burn it in back yard at end of night after a good bonfire

i heard BONFIRE...
NOW BACK TO WATCHING ,BUT UNWATCHING...

 

[LRT]

i heard BONFIRE...
NOW BACK TO WATCHING ,BUT UNWATCHING...

 

[nereefpat]

I know it's a joke, sort of, but I've seen a few comments about burning the stuff.

Incinerating is not the same a burning. Many pesticides can be disposed of by incineration, but burning in your burn barrel is not the same thing.

 

[sfin52]

I know it's a joke, sort of, but I've seen a few comments about burning the stuff.

Incinerating is not the same a burning. Many pesticides can be disposed of by incineration, but burning in your burn barrel is not the same thing.

Your correct it can become in inhalation situation very bad like polytoxin being turned into a vapor.

 

[LRT]

I know it's a joke, sort of, but I've seen a few comments about burning the stuff.

Incinerating is not the same a burning. Many pesticides can be disposed of by incineration, but burning in your burn barrel is not the same thing.

On a real note I woudnt flush or dump this stuff in sewer or storm drain and I live in and design in one of the more sophisticated infrastructure systems equipped to deal with something like this.

 

[redfishbluefish]

This thread appears to have run it's course and has now been locked. The staff will discuss and decide if the thread will be opened back up. Thanks for the lively discussion. Paul, Team R2R

 

[Peace River]

After a short break, we have made the decision to reopen this thread with the hopes that we will be able to move forward with a focus on the primary topic while reflecting the "be nice" attitude and behavior that is key to R2R. Additionally we also want to continue to provide UWC with every opportunity and place to respond directly to our community and to the concerns that our members have highlighted. We appreciate the passion that everyone brings and, while we may not always agree (some seemingly rarely agree ;Shamefullyembarrased), let's make sure that we interact in a respectful way. Additionally, please know that those that have been uninvited from participating in this thread moving forward still have been allowed the opportunity to continue to view the thread. Although we truly hope that no one else self-selects to join that list, please know that we will be less patient moving forward as we continue to keep this thread on track and between the proverbial "buoys".

 

[Sean Clark]

I slef-slelect to keep participating in constructive conversation that applies to the topic.