happyhourhero
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Looking forward to UWC clearing up what is surely just one big misunderstanding.
Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk
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youcallmenny1
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I made the mistake of using Vibrant recently. Still dealing with the cyano/dino/gha outbreak. No biggie except it nuked most of my chaeto. Not very cool there.
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me and Phil agree
I’ve reported the above post for attempted humor, and IMO adds only laughter and no useful information
Distractions aside, looking forward to the big reveal
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@Peace River …speaking for myself and as a consumer, appreciate this format to vent. Thing is I see some heavy hitting sponsors on this site. No doubt they are paying a small fee for the eyeballs this site attracts…
That said , I hope they are listening, I for one am getting tired of these repackaged “secret sauces” … especially when my tank is approaching thousands in dollar value and years in time/effort…
The days of rebranding-repackaging Peroxide, lye, baking soda, Algaefix or whatever to make a buck needs to stop …my wallet will speak to the next company I catch marking up RO water and repurposing it as something else
BTW,the betting line has moved, my money is on blaming someone else/ misunderstanding… A new package/rebrand with a warning label, UWC keeeps his head down and this all blows over
That said , I hope they are listening, I for one am getting tired of these repackaged “secret sauces” … especially when my tank is approaching thousands in dollar value and years in time/effort…
The days of rebranding-repackaging Peroxide, lye, baking soda, Algaefix or whatever to make a buck needs to stop …my wallet will speak to the next company I catch marking up RO water and repurposing it as something else
BTW,the betting line has moved, my money is on blaming someone else/ misunderstanding… A new package/rebrand with a warning label, UWC keeeps his head down and this all blows over
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I don't really have a problem with 'secret sauces' as long as there isn't an intent to deceive about what they are comprised of. If vibrant had just said 'contains purified water and proprietary ingredients', we might still be having this conversation but the tone would be entirely different.
Personally, I feel proprietary additives need to disappear from the hobby. Especially when 99% of them have been found to be nothing proprietary.
I don't feed my kid proprietary supplements. I wouldn't feed my dog proprietary food with no ingredients listed. I know plenty of people do and that's their choice. As a hobby, we are in part "playing god" with our tanks. The most important thing we do is make sure the chemistry in our tanks is in line best we can. Dosing any product that doesn't clearly, accurately, and honestly state what it does to that chemistry should be shunned out of the hobby. This goes for all of the KZ line, AcroPower, Vibrant, etc.
I'm sorry. No company in this hobby is creating breakthrough, Nobel prize winning supplements/technology. (Okay, maybe there is ONE but I don't recall what it is.) There are very few, if any, items we use in this hobby that didn't come from another industry.
Slapping a picture of a fish on a box of baking soda and charging 3x the cost doesn't (or shouldn't) fly anymore.
I don't feed my kid proprietary supplements. I wouldn't feed my dog proprietary food with no ingredients listed. I know plenty of people do and that's their choice. As a hobby, we are in part "playing god" with our tanks. The most important thing we do is make sure the chemistry in our tanks is in line best we can. Dosing any product that doesn't clearly, accurately, and honestly state what it does to that chemistry should be shunned out of the hobby. This goes for all of the KZ line, AcroPower, Vibrant, etc.
I'm sorry. No company in this hobby is creating breakthrough, Nobel prize winning supplements/technology. (Okay, maybe there is ONE but I don't recall what it is.) There are very few, if any, items we use in this hobby that didn't come from another industry.
Slapping a picture of a fish on a box of baking soda and charging 3x the cost doesn't (or shouldn't) fly anymore.
shwareefer
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Hard call. There's certainly ways to word ingredient lists to remain ambiguous (to protect a formula/recipe) without using the word proprietary. I have to think this is still the manufacturers right and in their best interests. As you said, you can avoid those products that list their ingredients that way.
In the 80's my friend ran an aquarium store specializing in African cichlids. He used to sell a product he mixed himself simply named 'cichlid salt'. Worked great, kept the ph at 8.3 and the fish colours were spectacular. After many years he divulged the recipe to a group of us breeders - it was baking soda and instant ocean. I and some thought it was great, others were deeply wounded.
Duffer
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So here is a question...UWC has other products that folks use, for example "expel" for coral dipping...
Do you trust their other products or is this issue going to effect them...
me personally until i see the end result i would stay away from all products from them for now...
Do you trust their other products or is this issue going to effect them...
me personally until i see the end result i would stay away from all products from them for now...
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Personally, if a company deceives me or is dishonest with a product (in this case vibrant), I refuse to support them with my money by using ANY of their products.
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Agree to all the above but TBH more Vibrant was purchased because of the front label than the back. Even if it had a warning, who’s gonna hire 2 Attorneys and a electron microscope to interpret it?
…on a base level we need to let our wallets do the talking, next time…
They (mfg’s) will continue this crap as long as a cuteNemo pic sells and a long 300 word EPA warning label in 2pt arial is ignored or missing
I lean in this direction also, however, I am aware of some aquarium product companies that have a combination of products with documented ingredients and reliable results and products with undisclosed ingredients and unreliable results. Creates quite the dilemma. But what a can of worms to handle!
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undisclosed isn't the issue. Its lying about whats in the product and how it works.
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True, but in this case if a company lied about their product with undisclosed ingredients, how do you know that their product with the disclosed ingredients actually has the ingredients they claim?
I agree and should have included that in my statement too, think I'll edit it.
Truly an issue. The reason I used the term "lean" is because unfortunately I'm not sure we can find a company that's flawless in this regard. And, some are the only source for products I (probably we) need for our hobby. To use a term from wayyy back BUMMER!True, but in this case if a company lied about their product with undisclosed ingredients, how do you know that their product with the disclosed ingredients actually has the ingredients they claim?
