Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I've posted official documents for the actual product being discussed and I also know the difference between water and effluent.

lol

You've not posted a single document that gives disposal recommendations for ANY concentration of the polexitonium chloride polymer, and for you to claim you have done so is simply incorrect.

ALL disposal info you have posted for the polymer is your speculation on what you think people will or could do.

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides.

 

[Eagle_Steve]

I understand it's a pesticide. However, the context of the page being posted was dealing with the mixed chemicals and was NOT a general information page on all pesticides.

If you want to ignore context, I guess that's your right. I personally do not.

Yet is has a blanket statement used for ALL pesticides.

I am moving on now, as it seems there is no hope for this topic.

 

[mindme]

lol

You've not posted a single document that gives disposal recommendations for ANY concentration of the polexitonium chloride polymer, and for you to claim you have done so is simply incorrect.

ALL disposal info you have posted for the polymer is your speculation on what you think people will or could do.

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides.

The EPA's approval of the algaefix label that includes disposal instructions has been posted.

In fact, you previously tried to use the exact same documents when you thought it was ok to say water meant effluent.

And I'm not sure why you are trying to move the goal posts by extending the conversation to all pesticides. I've never said anything about any other pesticide except for algaefix. Which was what you originally made the claims about.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

The EPA literally uses the word sewer in their guidance for disposing of pesticides. It’s mind blowing that you are beating this horse into dust.

So does Buckman industries, the manufacturer of the polymer in Algaefix, Busan 77, and apparently, Vibrant.

They state to not let it get into a drain or sewer.

Do they say that diluting it or washing it down with a bunch of water to dilute it makes it OK? No.

They say "avoid" drains and sewers.

The generation of waste should be avoided or minimized wherever possible. Disposal of this product, solutions and any by-products should at all times comply with the requirements of environmental protection and waste disposal legislation and any regional local authority requirements. Dispose of surplus and non-recyclable products via a licensed waste disposal contractor. Waste should not be disposed of untreated to the sewer unless fully compliant with the requirements of all authorities with jurisdiction. Waste packaging should be recycled. Incineration or landfill should only be considered when recycling is not feasible. This material and its container must be disposed of in a safe way. Care should be taken when handling emptied containers that have not been cleaned or rinsed out. Empty containers or liners may retain some product residues. Avoid dispersal of spilled material and runoff and contact with soil, waterways, drains and sewers

 

[Eagle_Steve]

Yet is has a blanket statement used for ALL pesticides.

I am moving on now, as it seems there is no hope for this topic.

Well, just cause I cannot move on, as I am one of those guys.

Here is a link to the EPA general statement about disposing of pesticides.

@mindme see below link and snip of the webpage. Doesn't matter if it is sprayed, dosed, dumped or whatever. This is what the EPA blanket statement is.

In short, no matter the "concentration", IT SHOULD NOT GO DOWN THE DRAIN PER THE EPA.

Safe Disposal of Pesticides | US EPA

Learn how to safely dispose of pesticides.

www.epa.gov

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

The EPA's approval of the algaefix label that includes disposal instructions has been posted.

Queue up stock reply #3:

You've not posted a single document that gives disposal recommendations for ANY concentration of the polexitonium chloride polymer, and for you to claim you have done so is simply incorrect.

ALL disposal info you have posted for the polymer is your speculation on what you think people will or could do.

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides.

 

[mindme]

Yet is has a blanket statement used for ALL pesticides.

I am moving on now, as it seems there is no hope for this topic.

The statement is contained on a page that is talking about specific pesticides. It's giving instructions for mixing pesticides and disposing of them. I'm not sure why anyone would pour that stuff down the drain to start with.

We are talking about a product that is used in our aquariums where pouring that water down the drain is the common method of disposal, and a product that is made specifically for aquariums. It has been approved by the EPA, and has instructions on disposal.

Are we to believe that people who are using algaefix are disposing of their water in any other manner? And are we also to assume the EPA would not require this to be on the label if it was intended?

 

[jeffww]

People are actually arguing about the semantics of pouring poison down the drain. Why? Just don’t do it. You would think common sense would prevail even if the laws aren’t explicit.

 

[mindme]

Well, just cause I cannot move on, as I am one of those guys.

Here is a link to the EPA general statement about disposing of pesticides.

@mindme see below link and snip of the webpage. Doesn't matter if it is sprayed, dosed, dumped or whatever. This is what the EPA blanket statement is.

In short, no matter the "concentration", IT SHOULD NOT GO DOWN THE DRAIN PER THE EPA.

Safe Disposal of Pesticides | US EPA

Learn how to safely dispose of pesticides.

www.epa.gov

Yes, and you got to that page by clicking on residential pesticides and the page is clearly talking about spraying your own home for bugs.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Are we to believe that people who are using algaefix are disposing of their water in any other manner? And are we also to assume the EPA would not require this to be on the label if it was intended?

You've not posted a single document that gives disposal recommendations for ANY concentration of the polexitonium chloride polymer.

ALL disposal info you have posted for the polymer is your speculation on what you think people will or could do.

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

It has been approved by the EPA, and has instructions on disposal.

You've not posted a single document that gives disposal recommendations for ANY concentration of the polexitonium chloride polymer, and for you to claim you have done so is simply incorrect.

ALL disposal info you have posted for the polymer is your speculation on what you think people will or could do.

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides.

 

[rmorris_14]

I think he’s about to launch into what is actually a “drain”?

I almost spit my water out reading that.

 

[Sean Clark]

People are actually arguing about the semantics of pouring poison down the drain. Why? Just don’t do it. You would think common sense would prevail even if the laws aren’t explicit.

I think "person" might be more appropriate. I would love to see more people chiming in with their experiences while using the product among other things.

 

[mindme]

People are actually arguing about the semantics of pouring poison down the drain. Why? Just don’t do it. You would think common sense would prevail even if the laws aren’t explicit.

We are talking about algaefix(vibrant) which people put in their tanks(and ponds, swimming pools, etc) and what you can legally do with the water when you do a water change. More specifically, if it's legal to do.

Some here contend that you are supposed to take that 40g(for me that's 20%) of water somewhere and pay to have it disposed of. Otherwise you "might" be committing a crime.

 

[Eagle_Steve]

Yes, and you got to that page by clicking on residential pesticides and the page is clearly talking about spraying your own home for bugs.

You are funny.

That page shows up when searching the EPA website for "Pesticide Disposal"

So yes, isnt adding Algae fix to a tank "mixing up a pesticide for use"?

Then you keep adding it to a tank, therefore possibly creating "more than needed".

The semantics can be taken a 100 ways.

End of day, pesticides are recommended by the EPA to not go down a drain. It does not state that even a tiny concentration is "OK".

We are talking about algaefix(vibrant) which people put in their tanks(and ponds, swimming pools, etc) and what you can legally do with the water when you do a water change. More specifically, if it's legal to do.

Some here contend that you are supposed to take that 40g(for me that's 20%) of water somewhere and pay to have it disposed of. Otherwise you "might" be committing a crime.

It is as simple as how the EPA lists pesticides and what should be done with them. I as well as a few others have never accused anyone of committing a crime, what is right or wrong, or whatever. I am simply posting links to EPA rules and recommendations, as these are actual things one can read and look into.

The fact that you keep on and on with no facts lined out or anything for anyone to review or look at is saddening. You seem like you are intelligent enough to provide something for one to review and be able to see your point of view on things with FACTS, but I still see nothing posted with FACTS.

End of day, I am done with disposal and will get back to the topic at hand.

 

[mindme]

You've not posted a single document that gives disposal recommendations for ANY concentration of the polexitonium chloride polymer, and for you to claim you have done so is simply incorrect.

ALL disposal info you have posted for the polymer is your speculation on what you think people will or could do.

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides.

The approved EPA label for disposal on the actual product is not my speculation anymore than someone would use the word water to describe effluent.

And you repeatedly keep distorting and misrepresenting what I said. I am talking about a specific product, why do you refuse to acknowledge that? At no point did I ever say all pesticides. Is there a reason you can't use the word algaefix? I don't really appreciate it.

 

[Reefbuds]

Toxic man, toxic

 

[Duffer]

Oh my God...i want to throw up right now...!!!

 

[mindme]

You are funny.

That page shows up when searching the EPA website for "Pesticide Disposal"

So yes, isnt adding Algae fix to a tank "mixing up a pesticide for use"?

Then you keep adding it to a tank, therefore possibly creating "more than needed".

The semantics can be taken a 100 ways.

End of day, pesticides are recommended by the EPA to not go down a drain. It does not state that even a tiny concentration is "OK".




It is as simple as how the EPA lists pesticides and what should be done with them. I as well as a few others have never accused anyone of committing a crime, what is right or wrong, or whatever. I am simply posting links to EPA rules and recommendations, as these are actual things one can read and look into.

The fact that you keep on and on with no facts lined out or anything for anyone to review or look at is saddening. You seem like you are intelligent enough to provide something for one to review and be able to see your point of view on things with FACTS, but I still see nothing posted with FACTS.

End of day, I am done with disposal and will get back to the topic at hand.

It's funny how you guys are so determined to turn this into all pesticides rather than the specific one being talked about which is algaefix, which has it's own EPA approved label and it's own EPA approved disposal instructions.

On the bright side, at least I don't have to deal with people trying to claim water means effluent. That's a little progress anyway.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Some here contend that you are supposed to take that 40g(for me that's 20%) of water somewhere and pay to have it disposed of. Otherwise you "might" be committing a crime.

Correct. It might be against the law, just like putting a fluorescent or metal halide light bulb in the trash is against the law.