Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[happyhourhero]

 

[polyppal]

come on @UWC let’s get on with it!

 

[mindme]

Another interpretation of yours that lacks any substantiation except what you think should be the case,.

The actual manufacturer of the polymer in Algaefix and Vibrant says to NOT put it down a drain in their data sheet.

Because concentration and volume are meaningless.

 

[mindme]

As for Marine Algaefix, likely not breaking any laws either. But it is more debatable. The bottle states "Do not contaminate water or feed by storage or disposal." What does that mean? At what point would a retail customer know that contamination is happening? I put it in my fish tank, how is doing a water change or pouring it straight down the drain contaminating anything?

As for the SDS, I don't think it's required retail customer knowledge. It's not supplied with the product, referenced on the label and in most cases probably not posted at the point of sale. For reference they do have it posted on their website: Marine Algaefix SDS

At a place of employment, the discussion would change.

The EPA would never call sewage and water the same thing. Waste water might be the closest thing, but most likely effluent would be the wording.

It's talking about consumables. It would directly say not to pour down the drain if that wasn't wanted, rather than telling people to rinse out the container(as everyone would rinse out the container in their sinks and down the drain).

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

It would directly say not to pour down the drain if that wasn't wanted

We apparently will just have to agree to disagree on the basic premise of whether it is OK to pour pesticides such as Busan 77 down the drain.

I think you are mistaken and you think I am.

Moving on...

 

[mindme]

We apparently will just have to agree to disagree on the basic premise of whether it is OK to pour pesticides such as Busan 77 down the drain.

I think you are mistaken and you think I am.

Moving on...

Algaefix has an approved EPA label with disposal instructions. And no matter how you want to spin it, water is NOT sewage. When the EPA doesn't want you doing that, they call it effluent.

 

[MnFish1]

Algaefix has an approved EPA label with disposal instructions. And no matter how you want to spin it, water is NOT sewage. When the EPA doesn't want you doing that, they call it effluent.

At least in our community, there is a 'storm sewer' and a 'house sewer'. Its probably like this in most places. The stuff from the drain or toilet goes to a water treatment plant. The stuff that goes on your driveway goes directly to the nearest body of water.

One thing still puzzles me. lets forget Clams, etc - the warning label for Busan 77 also says do not use in ponds containing fish (decorative ponds). But - supposedly it can be used in a aquarium. Fresh, Salt, Reef - at the same concentration. Lets forget vibrant for a minute - and consider Algaefix

From what I've read here - the ingredients in the Fresh and saltwater versions seem 'identical. How can this be? Not trying to stir up controversy - just a question.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Algaefix has an approved EPA label with disposal instructions. And no matter how you want to spin it, water is NOT sewage. When the EPA doesn't want you doing that, they call it effluent.

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides. I stand by what I said and by the various official documents that I posted.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

At least in our community, there is a 'storm sewer' and a 'house sewer'. Its probably like this in most places. The stuff from the drain or toilet goes to a water treatment plant. The stuff that goes on your driveway goes directly to the nearest body of water.

One thing still puzzles me. lets forget Clams, etc - the warning label for Busan 77 also says do not use in ponds containing fish (decorative ponds). But - supposedly it can be used in a aquarium. Fresh, Salt, Reef - at the same concentration. Lets forget vibrant for a minute - and consider Algaefix

From what I've read here - the ingredients in the Fresh and saltwater versions seem 'identical. How can this be? Not trying to stir up controversy - just a question.

The many different applications of Busan 77 involve different concentrations (see above links). Maybe Buckman doesn't want responsibility for knowing whether a given concentration is OK for typical fish in aquaria, but the Mars corporation (the folks getting approval for Algaefix) was willing to make that leap.

Companies can certainly put any restrictions they want on use of their own product to help limit their liability. Fish in ponds may also get involved with food aquaculture and if the product is not approved for food fish, they may prohibit all fish use for that reason.

 

[mindme]

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken. I stand by what I said and by the various official documents that I posted.

So the EPA label for a concentrated ingredient trumps the EPA label for the actual product?

Seems a bit...weird.

Can we at least agree that when the EPA says water, it doesn't mean sewage?

 

[happyhourhero]

So the EPA label for a concentrated ingredient trumps the EPA label for the actual product?

Seems a bit...weird.

Can we at least agree that when the EPA says water, it doesn't mean sewage?

The EPA literally uses the word sewer in their guidance for disposing of pesticides. It’s mind blowing that you are beating this horse into dust.

 

[mindme]

At least in our community, there is a 'storm sewer' and a 'house sewer'. Its probably like this in most places. The stuff from the drain or toilet goes to a water treatment plant. The stuff that goes on your driveway goes directly to the nearest body of water.

One thing still puzzles me. lets forget Clams, etc - the warning label for Busan 77 also says do not use in ponds containing fish (decorative ponds). But - supposedly it can be used in a aquarium. Fresh, Salt, Reef - at the same concentration. Lets forget vibrant for a minute - and consider Algaefix

From what I've read here - the ingredients in the Fresh and saltwater versions seem 'identical. How can this be? Not trying to stir up controversy - just a question.

Yeah we have the same. I have a storm drain in front of my house,

I think it's all a matter of the concentration/volume that makes 1 product ok and another not ok.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

So the EPA label for a concentrated ingredient trumps the EPA label for the actual product?

Seems a bit...weird.

Can we at least agree that when the EPA says water, it doesn't mean sewage?

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides. I stand by what I said and by the various official documents that I posted.

 

[mindme]

The EPA literally uses the word sewer in their guidance for disposing of pesticides. It’s mind blowing that you are beating this horse into dust.

You posted that before. That entire page is talking about the kind of pesticides that you mix and spray around your house.

I posted the link already to show the context and what it is talking about.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

You posted that before. That entire page is talking about the kind of pesticides that you mix and spray around your house.

I posted the link already to show the context and what it is talking about.

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides.

 

[Eagle_Steve]

You posted that before. That entire page is talking about the kind of pesticides that you mix and spray around your house.

I posted the link already to show the context and what it is talking about.

See below and a snip of the link below. I suggest reading what a pesticide really is.

Types of Pesticide Ingredients | US EPA

Pesticide active ingredients are described by the types of pests they control or how they work. For example, algicides kill algae, biopesticides are derived from natural materials, and insecticides kill insects.

www.epa.gov

 

[mindme]

As I have said repeatedly, I think you are mistaken in what is OK to do with pesticides. I stand by what I said and by the various official documents that I posted.

I've posted official documents for the actual product being discussed and I also know the difference between water and effluent.

 

[mindme]

See below and a snip of the link below. I suggest reading what a pesticide really is.

Types of Pesticide Ingredients | US EPA

Pesticide active ingredients are described by the types of pests they control or how they work. For example, algicides kill algae, biopesticides are derived from natural materials, and insecticides kill insects.

www.epa.gov

I understand it's a pesticide. However, the context of the page being posted was dealing with the mixed chemicals and was NOT a general information page on all pesticides.

If you want to ignore context, I guess that's your right. I personally do not.

 

[blaxsun]

Seriously? I can't believe the last several pages... It should be common sense that you don't pour pesticides down the drain.

 

[happyhourhero]

Seriously? I can't believe the last several pages... It should be common sense that you don't pour pesticides down the drain.

I think he’s about to launch into what is actually a “drain”?