Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

The page you linked is talking about the kind of pesticides you would mix at home and spray, which are way more harmful.

Safe Disposal of Pesticides

Another interpretation of yours that lacks any substantiation except what you think should be the case,.

The actual manufacturer of the polymer in Algaefix and Vibrant says to NOT put it down a drain in their data sheet.

 

[Karen00]

i fully expect UWC to come back ,if they do at all, contradicting the findings put forth here. It will lead to some heated discussions. There is enough research for me to make vibrant very plausible for me and when it comes to my tank, i will not put any chemical in it when it could lead me down the road where issues can arise..

plain and simple

If people don't like what UWC has to say then they can show their distaste by not opening their wallets to their products. Maybe the EPA needs to be contacted to do an investigation as well. It's interesting that they have to contact their producer. Seems to me something is up.

 

[LRT]

Another interpretation of yours that lacks any substantiation except what you think should be the case,.

The actual manufacturer of the polymer in Algaefix and Vibrant says to NOT put it down a drain in their data sheet.

Was just reading that..

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Was just reading that..

https://www.univarsolutions.com/ca/en/proxy/index/index/?e=0%3A3%3AKiuFp07so12kdtvSbAWtG0rVZ2k2DAUZPEyzVUHQmOpq07D4pQOg685HJ3q6ObeRoOBNzXFSJPUICAttI9cinQBUgypKMx5J3gpO4XtFGey%2FUGMCtEuGG2RxXvCR6WepL5H0cfvEKTr4yD1goyK4XV49ZL7J7FxniEjvqDNYf9rGlSZXgRDUDE9mwc7O%2FgT2

"Avoid dispersal of spilled material and runoff and contact with soil, waterways, drains and sewers. Inform the relevant authorities if the product has caused environmental pollution (sewers, waterways, soil or air)."

The generation of waste should be avoided or minimized wherever possible. Disposal of this product, solutions and any by-products should at all times comply with the requirements of environmental protection and waste disposal legislation and any regional local authority requirements. Dispose of surplus and non-recyclable products via a licensed waste disposal contractor. Waste should not be disposed of untreated to the sewer unless fully compliant with the requirements of all authorities with jurisdiction. Waste packaging should be recycled. Incineration or landfill should only be considered when recycling is not feasible. This material and its container must be disposed of in a safe way. Care should be taken when handling emptied containers that have not been cleaned or rinsed out. Empty containers or liners may retain some product residues. Avoid dispersal of spilled material and runoff and contact with soil, waterways, drains and sewers.

 

[Karen00]

This is turning into a study in psychology. I'm halfway fascinated...

I always think of these threads as being akin to a conversation by a group of people standing around the kitchen at a party. If you were part of the start of a conversation then walked away and came back 30 minutes later you'd be wondering if it was the same group because the conversation would be drastically different than the one you left.

 

[Karen00]

I've seen/heard some of it.

I moved to Florida about 3 years ago(from Phoenix, I see you are in Mesa), and we have issues here with farmers using fertilizers, then we get heavy rains and all the fertilizers end up in the rivers and oceans causing a red tide.

But I don't think me putting ferilzer on a tomato plant is going to do much.

Lots of nitrates in the water also. I filter all my water for cooking with my RODI filters. I only drink bottled water....and I hope nobody ruins that for me.

But it's everyone putting fertilizers on their gardens that eventually becomes a problem depending on where that fertilizer ends up (water tables, etc). A bunch of yards eventually becomes the size of a farm over the years. And supposedly even bottled water has micro plastics in it now. If we don't get control of that I don't want to know what the human body (let alone every other creature) is going to look like in a few decades with that suff embedded in every bit of tissue. I even wonder if plants/vegetables take it up via their roots so even that lovely salad will be dangerous to eat.

 

[Fresh2Salt95]

I only have fish and inverts, but it's worked wonders for me. I use it in combination with Reef Flux. Totally got rid of all algae in my 125G.

 

[Lyss]

I always think of these threads as being akin to a conversation by a group of people standing around the kitchen at a party. If you were part of the start of a conversation then walked away and came back 30 minutes later you'd be wondering if it was the same group because the conversation would be drastically different than the one you left.

I more meant regarding the person who continually wants to argue over perceived problematic statements and refuses to stop.

 

[Drendo]

I think the truth is important. Especially since people are going to be doing things to get this stuff out of their systems.

This is certainly not the time to tell people that doing a water change and pouring your existing water down the drain "might" be illegal, when there is nothing that actually suggests that is the case.

 

[GlassMunky]

If people don't like what UWC has to say then they can show their distaste by not opening their wallets to their products. Maybe the EPA needs to be contacted to do an investigation as well. It's interesting that they have to contact their producer. Seems to me something is up.

I filled out the EPA contact form and linked this thread along with UWCs contact info. Weather anything comes from it or not is out of our hands tho

 

[ingchr1]

No consumer putting Vibrant down the drain, by water change or whole bottle, is breaking any laws. The manufacturer of Vibrant (UWC) has not communicated any hazards associated with the product to the consumer.

This is not to say that there are not hazards, just that the manufacturer has not communicated any to the consumer.

 

[jcolliii]

But it's everyone putting fertilizers on their gardens that eventually becomes a problem depending on where that fertilizer ends up (water tables, etc). A bunch of yards eventually becomes the size of a farm over the years. And supposedly even bottled water has micro plastics in it now. If we don't get control of that I don't want to know what the human body (let alone every other creature) is going to look like in a few decades with that suff embedded in every bit of tissue. I even wonder if plants/vegetables take it up via their roots so even that lovely salad will be dangerous to eat.

Leafy dark greens are used in phytoremediation of soils contaminated with heavy metals, and are quite good at it. I'll be doing some digestion experiments with duckweed starting this summer to see if I can detect when annd where heavy metals are coming into a freshwater lake. Turns out plants are great at accumulating the crap we release into the environment, just like we are.

 

[Doctorgori]

I more meant regarding the person who continually wants to argue over perceived problematic statements and refuses to stop.

Indeed,…. guess someone had to say it
and while we are waiting for @UWC or the test results, please enjoy

 

[ingchr1]

No consumer putting Vibrant down the drain, by water change or whole bottle, is breaking any laws. The manufacturer of Vibrant (UWC) has not communicated any hazards associated with the product to the consumer.

This is not to say that there are not hazards, just that the manufacturer has not communicated any to the consumer.

Marine Algaefix has room for debate. The bottle states "Do not contaminate water or feed by storage or disposal." What does that mean? At what point would a retail customer know that contamination is happening? I put it in my fish tank, how is doing a water change or pouring it straight down the drain contaminating anything?

It's also not labeled as a pesticide, so how would one conclude that it needed to be handled in accordance with thier state and local regulations?

As for the SDS, I don't think it's required retail customer knowledge. It's not supplied with the product, referenced on the label and in most cases probably not posted at the point of sale. For reference they do have it posted on their website: Marine Algaefix SDS

At a place of employment, the discussion would change.

 

[BrianAnthony]

Can I have your bank routing number so I can send you my bill?

Routing numbers would be if you were depositin

If people don't like what UWC has to say then they can show their distaste by not opening their wallets to their products. Maybe the EPA needs to be contacted to do an investigation as well. It's interesting that they have to contact their producer. Seems to me something is up.

I have already filled out a tip form with the EPA.

 

[MnFish1]

Trying to remain neutral and just adding to the discussion here.
Coming from Design Build and a Civil Engineering perspective. I think you would be surprised and maybe even disgusted to know just how much of this storm and sewer water is designed to either dump into systems that flow to water ways and end up in rivers and eventually oceans. Or better yet. Water treatment plants that reclaim, recycle and redistribute this water to folks as drinking water in some instances.

You havent remained neutral on any posts on this thread lol. Trying to remain neutral.

 

[MnFish1]

I think this goes municipality by municipality. Some places separate storm run off systems from sewer systems. In cities like this pool water has to be disposed of into the sewer system not storm run off because of pool contaminants. Places without separation then maybe all water goes for treatment. The point being people would have to check what is allowed with pool water. Not everyone can just dump pool water where they want. It's probably the same with aquarium water containing chemicals like this going down the drain. It's probably not supposed to be done but I bet a lot of people don't check with their city when it comes to stuff like this. As far as the EPA goes.. it has listed what needs to be done with these chemicals but whether people follow the guidelines is a different story.

Really lololol - where do you think they dump it.

 

[Karen00]

Leafy dark greens are used in phytoremediation of soils contaminated with heavy metals, and are quite good at it. I'll be doing some digestion experiments with duckweed starting this summer to see if I can detect when annd where heavy metals are coming into a freshwater lake. Turns out plants are great at accumulating the crap we release into the environment, just like we are.

But would it be good to eat vegetables loaded with microplastics? ;-) That was my point about eating a salad with vegetables that have taken microplastics up via the roots. I agree plants are great at consuming waste. I saw a story that microplastics were found in the snow of either the north pole or Antarctica which makes me think it's going into the atmosphere and coming down with the rain/snow, etc. as well as from direct pollution in the water.

 

[Karen00]

Really lololol - where do you think they dump it.

Who's the "they" you're referring to? I don't know how to respond.

 

[Karen00]

I filled out the EPA contact form and linked this thread along with UWCs contact info. Weather anything comes from it or not is out of our hands tho

Nice. You make it at least two members that have contacted them about this. I got another reply as well.