Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

It's not contaminating water or food by pouring it down the drain.

That's ridiculous (IMO), but I'm not going to discuss disposal further here since I think we have fully discussed it.

 

[mindme]

That's ridiculous (IMO), but I'm not going to discuss disposal further here since I think we have fully discussed it.

It's not ridiculous, it's what it is. Unless you drink sewage water, which I'm going to assume is not the case.

The bottle says "rinse it out", which everyone would do in their sink, with the contents going down the drain.

They sell the stuff by the gallon to use in 10000+ gallon ponds.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

It's not ridiculous, it's what it is. Unless you drink sewage water, which I'm going to assume is not the case.

The bottle says "rinse it out", which everyone would do in their sink, with the contents going down the drain.

They sell the stuff by the gallon to use in 10000+ gallon ponds.

Not going to be baited into continued useless arguing about your interpretations of words.

 

[mindme]

Not going to be baited into continued useless arguing about your interpretations of words.

Sure, call me a troll because you don't like what i say. It's not a personal attack at all.

Sewage is not water, and if you don't believe - go label sewage as water and see what happens.

How in the world someone can see the words "water, food and feed" together and think it is talking about sewage is just....wow.

Seems obvious to me at this point you couldn't care less about the truth on if it's ok to dispose of, and are just desperately trying to save face.

 

[mindme]

I do not think we need to spend more time debating disposal. It's really just a red herring to the true issue. IMO, it was an interesting twist on a product when you do not know the composition and so may be getting incorrect disposal info.

But in reality, I do not think anyone here needs to be worrying about water changes. If folks have convinced themselves by whatever reasoning that it is OK or not OK, that's fine, but I don't think there's any more to be gained by rehashing the issue.

As an aside, the role of the EPA and sewer authorities is to limit the quantities of toxic substances entering the water, not to prevent all uses of toxic substances that might enter the water through normal use. Lots and lots of chemicals are prohibited from dumping down a drain, but they enter from urine, feces, hand washing, and other means that are unavoidable uses of those products.

YOU were the one who made claims about disposal. YOU are the one who started all this by claiming it "might" be illegal for people to put their aquarium water down the drain.

And now you call it a red herring.

Wow.

 

[happyhourhero]

What a hill to die on

 

[Sean Clark]

What a hill to die on

Right?

 

[LRT]

Sure, call me a troll because you don't like what i say. It's not a personal attack at all.

Sewage is not water, and if you don't believe - go label sewage as water and see what happens.

How in the world someone can see the words "water, food and feed" together and think it is talking about sewage is just....wow.

Seems obvious to me at this point you couldn't care less about the truth on if it's ok to dispose of, and are just desperately trying to save face.

Trying to remain neutral and just adding to the discussion here.
Coming from Design Build and a Civil Engineering perspective. I think you would be surprised and maybe even disgusted to know just how much of this storm and sewer water is designed to either dump into systems that flow to water ways and end up in rivers and eventually oceans. Or better yet. Water treatment plants that reclaim, recycle and redistribute this water to folks as drinking water in some instances.

 

[mindme]

What a hill to die on

I think the truth is important. Especially since people are going to be doing things to get this stuff out of their systems.

This is certainly not the time to tell people that doing a water change and pouring your existing water down the drain "might" be illegal, when there is nothing that actually suggests that is the case.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Sure, call me a troll because you don't like what i say. It's not a personal attack at all.

Sewage is not water, and if you don't believe - go label sewage as water and see what happens.

How in the world someone can see the words "water, food and feed" together and think it is talking about sewage is just....wow.

Seems obvious to me at this point you couldn't care less about the truth on if it's ok to dispose of, and are just desperately trying to save face.

I did not say you made a personal attack.

I stand by everything I have said in this thread 100%, and supported my claims with EPA documents, but I have no ongoing interest in wasting everyone's time is this thread trying to convince you of anything.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I think the truth is important.

I think the truth is paramount too. Glad we agree.

 

[happyhourhero]

You should start a thread in reef discussion and let people know your interpretation of how to dispose of chemicals and waste from their tanks. This thread is about a product that appears to be mislabeled, either accidentally or intentionally. I would hate for your message to be buried in here when it should be shared with the broader group who may be unsure of what to do.

 

[Lyss]

This is turning into a study in psychology. I'm halfway fascinated...

 

[mindme]

Trying to remain neutral and just adding to the discussion here.
Coming from Design Build and a Civil Engineering perspective. I think you would be surprised and maybe even disgusted to know just how much of this storm and sewer water is designed to either dump into systems that flow to water ways and end up in rivers and eventually oceans. Or better yet. Water treatment plants that reclaim, recycle and redistribute this water to folks as drinking water in some instances.

I've seen/heard some of it.

I moved to Florida about 3 years ago(from Phoenix, I see you are in Mesa), and we have issues here with farmers using fertilizers, then we get heavy rains and all the fertilizers end up in the rivers and oceans causing a red tide.

But I don't think me putting ferilzer on a tomato plant is going to do much.

Lots of nitrates in the water also. I filter all my water for cooking with my RODI filters. I only drink bottled water....and I hope nobody ruins that for me.

 

[N.Sreefer]

I think the truth is important. Especially since people are going to be doing things to get this stuff out of their systems.

This is certainly not the time to tell people that doing a water change and pouring your existing water down the drain "might" be illegal, when there is nothing that actually suggests that is the case.

I learned something working in the dairy industry its technically illegal to put milk into the sewage system. Its unlikely someone would be charged for putting chemicals out in their gray water but it can happen. The company I worked for S*puto got fined for "releasing a hazardous substance" that substance was milk.

 

[mindme]

I did not say you made a personal attack.

I stand by everything I have said in this thread 100%, and supported my claims with EPA documents, but I have no ongoing interest in wasting everyone's time is this thread trying to convince you of anything.

You basically called me a troll, as have multiple other people. That's a personal attack towards me, I was being sarcastic. I personally don't care, I have thick skin obviously, the double standard is the biggest annoyance because I have to do my very best to not say anything even remotely similiar.

Sewage is not water and you know it. You provided nothing. Even what you did use came off a 2.5gallon jug of the stuff, which would be used for ponds ranging in the 25,000g range(assuming 1 time use).

 

[LRT]

I've seen/heard some of it.

I moved to Florida about 3 years ago(from Phoenix, I see you are in Mesa), and we have issues here with farmers using fertilizers, then we get heavy rains and all the fertilizers end up in the rivers and oceans causing a red tide.

But I don't think me putting ferilzer on a tomato plant is going to do much.

Lots of nitrates in the water also. I filter all my water for cooking with my RODI filters. I only drink bottled water....and I hope nobody ruins that for me.

Right on. Yes im in Mesa. I design infrastructure all over the valley here. I seen some of your comments and just wanted to clear up a cpl things that maybe you weren't aware of. Your arguments exactly about whats happening in Fla. Its very real. I work inside alot of these EPA rules as they pertain to my niche. Not taking sides about this all im saying is we have to interpret these rules exactly as Randy has and design around and/or within them. Its a very real thing for our storm and especially reclaimed water to be used as irrigatation for crops. As well as alot of water makes it back to our reservoirs and as already mentioned our water treatment plants.
If you moved from Phoenix chances are you where drinking reclaimed water and didn't even know it.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Especially since people are going to be doing things to get this stuff out of their systems.

On that topic, let's proceed as it may be important.

Taricha has done some tests that suggest GAC is good at removing the organics that may help the algaecide remain in the water. Not sure what effect it has on after the fact use, but it may also help there:

Understanding Vibrant: Algaefix, Polixetonium Chloride / Busan 77

UWC is still listed as a valuable member, R2R gold sponsor and supporter. They are still a sponsor. Today, when I asked again, they informed me they intend to respond when they are allowed to do so (presumably they meant their lawyer’s permission). I passed that info, along with the comment...

www.reef2reef.com

"My overall mental picture here is that if I have a lot of these organics in the water, then Vibrant is reacting with that material mostly, and maybe doesn't get to surfaces as much as expected/hoped.
If I removed these organics by running GAC, then vibrant would get to surfaces as expected and attach there.
(I dosed Algaefix every 3 days for weeks and weeks and the progress against hair algae was sloooow. If/when I used this chemical again, I would be sure to run GAC first, and go slower - I'm guessing much more of the chemical gets attached to surfaces in that scenario.)"

 

[shwareefer]

Lots of nitrates in the water also. I filter all my water for cooking with my RODI filters. I only drink bottled water....and I hope nobody ruins that for me.

Safest option is to use your RO water and remineralize it with sea salt to 250ppm or so for drinking. 1 tsp to 5 gallons gets you there if you are interested. We use the Aurora brand salt which is from the Mediterranean so it has to be good for you, lol.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

You basically called me a troll, as have multiple other people. That's a personal attack towards me, I was being sarcastic. I personally don't care, I have thick skin obviously, the double standard is the biggest annoyance because I have to do my very best to not say anything even remotely similiar.

Sewage is not water and you know it. You provided nothing. Even what you did use came off a 2.5gallon jug of the stuff, which would be used for ponds ranging in the 25,000g range(assuming 1 time use).

I did not call you a troll, nor did I make a personal attack.

I said you were baiting me to respond, which is both true and a reasonable comment to make when someone keeps wanting someone else to respond and they have already said they do not want to continue the discussion.

There is no double standard at Reef2Reef. Everyone must abide by the Terms of Service, and within that, can say anything and everything they want as often as they want to whoever they want. No one is stopping you. I just won't participate in it any longer since we do not agree on basic facts and have booth had our say.