Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I learned something working in the dairy industry its technically illegal to put milk into the sewage system. Its unlikely someone would be charged for putting chemicals out in their gray water but it can happen. The company I worked for S*puto got fined for "releasing a hazardous substance" that substance was milk.

I worked summer jobs at Kodak years ago.

For some processes, they removed water from the nearby river, but could not put it back in the same condition it came out because it already exceeded certain water quality standards (don't recall which ones) while in the river. They ended up not using it because it was more expensive than using tap water instead. Common sense does not always prevail in situations like that.

 

[mindme]

I learned something working in the dairy industry its technically illegal to put milk into the sewage system. Its unlikely someone would be charged for putting chemicals out in their gray water but it can happen. The company I worked for S*puto got fined for "releasing a hazardous substance" that substance was milk.

Interesting. I wonder if it was pasteurized milk or not. Someone previously mentioned that industry and household have different rules, I figure this is due to the potential amounts.

If I had like multiple tanker trucks lined up down my street to pour vibrant/algeafix down my drains, I can see where that is probably illegal. But doing a water change after using vibrant/algaefix and pouring my buckets down the toilet?

The solution is as such a low concentration that it's not an issue.

 

[mindme]

double post.

 

[Duffer]

I worked summer jobs at Kodak years ago.

For some processes, they removed water from the nearby river, but could not put it back in the same condition it came out because it already exceeded certain water quality standards (don't recall which ones) while in the river. They ended up not using it because it was more expensive than using tap water instead. Common sense does not always prevail in situations like that.

That would be my home town, and the river was the Genesee river...more pollutants cause of this than you can imagine..

 

[mindme]

Right on. Yes im in Mesa. I design infrastructure all over the valley here. I seen some of your comments and just wanted to clear up a cpl things that maybe you weren't aware of. Your arguments exactly about whats happening in Fla. Its very real. I work inside alot of these EPA rules as they pertain to my niche. Not taking sides about this all im saying is we have to interpret these rules exactly as Randy has and design around and/or within them. Its a very real thing for our storm and especially reclaimed water to be used as irrigatation for crops. As well as alot of water makes it back to our reservoirs and as already mentioned our water treatment plants.
If you moved from Phoenix chances are you where drinking reclaimed water and didn't even know it.

I understand all that, but sewage is not water,

 

[N.Sreefer]

Interesting. I wonder if it was pasteurized milk or not. Someone previously mentioned that industry and household have different rules, I figure this is due to the potential amounts.

If I had like multiple tanker trucks lined up down my street to pour vibrant/algeafix down my drains, I can see where that is probably illegal. But doing a water change after using vibrant/algaefix and pouring my buckets down the toilet?

The solution is as such a low concentration that it's not an issue.

Tanker truck full of unpasteurized milk but the way the regulations are written (where I am) its not based on quantity they do an environmental assesment and base your fine off of the cost of "clean up". None of it made any sense to me raw sewage and road salt has to be worse than milk raw or not. The amount of milk in one truck cant be much more to process than sewage emissions from a block of houses.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

That would be my home town, and the river was the Genesee river...more pollutants cause of this than you can imagine..

Yep. Luckily, a lot of rivers are on a big comeback due to reduced addition of sewage and industrial pollutants.

 

[LRT]

I understand all that, but sewage is not water,

I dont want to veer so far away from intention of thread as im in same mindset as most folks that its more about the labeling and proper interpretation of the label thats supposed to be on the bottle.
I will say yes your right about sewage being sewage. Until its reclaimed at water treatment plant, treated and redistributed as drinking water. Its an even lower standard of treatment for irrigation water. And probably not much besides epa labels and regulation before it hits our water ways and ends up in ocean.

 

[mindme]

Tanker truck full of unpasteurized milk but the way the regulations are written (where I am) its not based on quantity they do an environmental assesment and base your fine off of the cost of "clean up". None of it made any sense to me raw sewage and road salt has to be worse than milk raw or not. The amount of milk in one truck cant be much more to process than sewage emissions from a block of houses.

I'm guessing it's because that milk is full of dangerous bacteria, while the milk in your home is not.

 

[N.Sreefer]

I'm guessing it's because that milk is full of dangerous bacteria, while the milk in your home is not.

Raw human sewage is many times worse some people drink unpasteurized milk. Like @Randy Holmes-Farley said there seems to be a lack of common sense at times.

 

[mindme]

I dont want to veer so far away from intention of thread as im in same mindset as most folks that its more about the labeling and proper interpretation of the label thats supposed to be on the bottle.
I will say yes your right about sewage being sewage. Until its reclaimed at water treatment plant, treated and redistributed as drinking water. Its an even lower standard of treatment for irrigation water. And probably not much besides epa labels and regulation before it hits our water ways and ends up in ocean.

Yes this is what I mean. I don't think the EPA would ever in a million years label sewage as water. I understand the need to control things in the water because drinking water has to come from somewhere and recycling is just part of it, but sewage and water are 2 different things.

I see nothing that suggests people can't just do a normal water change to remove this stuff from there system and it be 100% legal.

 

[LiveFreeAndReef]

This poor horse...

 

[mindme]

Raw human sewage is many times worse some people drink unpasteurized milk. Like @Randy Holmes-Farley said there seems to be a lack of common sense at times.

Can't argue with that, and there certainly isn't a limited amount of things like that.

Kinda off the point: I think people should have the right to drink unpasteurized milk if they want...but I don't want any part of it.

 

[happyhourhero]

I try to follow epa guidance when it comes to chems. Hopefully others are doing the same.

 

[Karen00]

Except - something is wrong here. The same algaecide is used in POOLS and outdoor ponds. We swim in this 'pesticide' - and backwash our pool every so often when it rains. So - With all due respect, there has to be some misunderstanding.

I think this goes municipality by municipality. Some places separate storm run off systems from sewer systems. In cities like this pool water has to be disposed of into the sewer system not storm run off because of pool contaminants. Places without separation then maybe all water goes for treatment. The point being people would have to check what is allowed with pool water. Not everyone can just dump pool water where they want. It's probably the same with aquarium water containing chemicals like this going down the drain. It's probably not supposed to be done but I bet a lot of people don't check with their city when it comes to stuff like this. As far as the EPA goes.. it has listed what needs to be done with these chemicals but whether people follow the guidelines is a different story.

 

[LRT]

I try to follow epa guidance when it comes to chems. Hopefully others are doing the same.

This fully explains why our water treatment plant engineers and water wizards walk around in hazmat suits and helmets. Kinda spelled right out for us here lol

 

[N.Sreefer]

I try to follow epa guidance when it comes to chems. Hopefully others are doing the same.

The ironic part being we all bioaccumulate pesticides and theres massive amounts of pesticides in raw sewage. We are what we eat. Not to side track I just find environmental protection laws hilariously counter intuitive at times.

 

[Karen00]

Man I’ve been saying this stuff is bad news for 2 years. Only because it’s done nothing for my algae issues though. I still have my original bottle probably about 3/4’s full AND the bottle that BRS gave out as free gifts at one point.

So what does this mean for the BRS videos that seem to praise Vibrant?

sorry if it’s been talked about already, 55 pages is a lot to read.

Their newer video for algae control no longer features Vibrant in the line-up of stuff (I watched that because it was posted here) I thought someone mentioned the other video was pulled or edited but don't quote me on that... I'm trying to remember from a long ago posted comment on this thread. I haven't had a chance to search for the older one yet.

 

[mindme]

I try to follow epa guidance when it comes to chems. Hopefully others are doing the same.

The EPA guidelines for algae fix are printed on the bottle. The page you linked is talking about the kind of pesticides you would mix at home and spray, which are way more harmful.

Safe Disposal of Pesticides

 

[Karen00]

This made me laugh so hard I have tears in my eyes! It's a good thing I didn't have a swig of coffee in my mouth because I would've spit that out laughing! I feel all warm and fuzzy now just like the kittens that were posted.