What do you think about COA's

[AquaWorldPSC]

It definitely does help we started doing this too!

 

[Ultimateaquariums]

It could be regulated same as a dog or cat though. It's just as easy to switch a dog or cat. There's no DNA testing involved when a puppy is sold. At least I've never gotten any. I know this is getting carried away..Just saying. It's no different. If someone wanted to they could put something like this together.....If they wanted to. It would have to be regulated to be worth anything though.

 

[mrgreenthumb]

I guess simply because of the fact that you are a reputable dealer, i would take your receipt alone as a coa!!! If anyone is that concerned, they can get on tyree's 5 year waiting list haha. If anyone is concerned enough that isn't going to trust a sales receipt from a reputable dealer such as yourself, than they can shop elsewhere as far as i'm concerned!! :tongue:

Honestly this is just going to drive prices up more and really do nothing to really prove it is what it is.Deal with a reptuable dealer problem solved and honestly I'm not going to track down every person I recieved LE stuff from including tyree to get this in the past 10 years lol.And if this is what people want and the trend goes this way prices will go up as my time is worth somthing and I have tried to keep prices low in fact my last true mummy eye frags were half the going price if I need to catalog and keep track of everything I sell thats limited prices will go up if I can just frag as it grows and put online without hassels I'll keep it reasonable.If you dont trust me that what I say it is what it is dont buy it.

 

[oceanparadise1]

its alot easyier to pass of a coral as something then a dog, i have a half pit half rottie, am i gonna try and tell you its a black lab bc its black and i have papers lol

 

[Ultimateaquariums]

I agree a receipt should be enough. If the coral looks the same who cares really. It's not like a dog or cat that has behavior involved I guess.

 

[oceaninabox]

Hmmm, very interesting debate going on here. I see some interesting tidbits I would like to focus on. One is price. I come from the school that an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So why by adding a COA would I inflate the price? If your not going to pay $200 for the piece whay would you now pay $250-$300? Doesnt make since to raise the price. I think it only adds credibility to the purchase and also the buyer feels a since of comfort in buying a legitimate product. The second is the "credible buyer" remarks I keep seeing pop up. Your exactly right, how do you know your even getting what your getting? It's called a credible source. I could lie to you all day long and tell you my "mystic sunset" montipora was of tryee liniage and I could COA it and you would never know the diff, but want I want is your long term business and not just a quick sell. If I keep your business and you tell others about me as a reputable seller in this business, I win and get more business driven to me. If I lie, eventually I will be found out and my business will be affected. What I am talking about with the COA is true liniage and proof that the coral is what you think it is. For example, one idea Im thinking about is I just aquired a large colony of Sunset Montipora with Tyree Liniage. If I sell you this piece and provide you a COA, I will also provide you with the liniage. For example on my certificate it would say something like, This sunset montipora has the fllowing liniage prior to this sell:

Steve Tyree to
Hugo Zuiga to
reefboy to
marko9 to
OIAB to the person in posession of this COA

Just one example.

 

[Ultimateaquariums]

OP1

That would be like trying to sell Acan's as a Chalice.

 

[Ultimateaquariums]

OK, so here's a question to think about. If you had two corals both same size same color from two reputable sources, but one had "proof" where it came from... Which would you buy?

 

[mrgreenthumb]

the one with proof!!! but thats just me, people tell me i'm crazy for caring, but hey thats me and i do!!! I don't want the oakleys sunglasses from saturday market, i want the real deal!! even though they look the same, have the same logo, and no one could tell the difference, I would know the truth!! To me it matters!! If it doesn't matter and you disagree with this line of thought, well thats just fine with me!!! More LE's for me muhahahaha

 

[Tankguy001]

I for one could care less if its LE or not. My tanks are for my enjoyment. I do like to buy corals that really stand out but I'm never in search for the LE.

 

[Kigs!]

To everybody who's so against the concept of lineage or LE, I think the fact that you even contributed to this thread says otherwise.

 

[reefboy]

Hmmm, very interesting debate going on here. I see some interesting tidbits I would like to focus on. One is price. I come from the school that an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So why by adding a COA would I inflate the price? If your not going to pay $200 for the piece whay would you now pay $250-$300? Doesnt make since to raise the price. I think it only adds credibility to the purchase and also the buyer feels a since of comfort in buying a legitimate product. The second is the "credible buyer" remarks I keep seeing pop up. Your exactly right, how do you know your even getting what your getting? It's called a credible source. I could lie to you all day long and tell you my "mystic sunset" montipora was of tryee liniage and I could COA it and you would never know the diff, but want I want is your long term business and not just a quick sell. If I keep your business and you tell others about me as a reputable seller in this business, I win and get more business driven to me. If I lie, eventually I will be found out and my business will be affected. What I am talking about with the COA is true liniage and proof that the coral is what you think it is. For example, one idea Im thinking about is I just aquired a large colony of Sunset Montipora with Tyree Liniage. If I sell you this piece and provide you a COA, I will also provide you with the liniage. For example on my certificate it would say something like, This sunset montipora has the fllowing liniage prior to this sell:

Steve Tyree to
Hugo Zuiga to
reefboy to
marko9 to
OIAB to the person in posession of this COA

Just one example.

I understand your point and this is a sound theory "BUT" even if you dont raise the price for a COA LE I bet others will if this takes hold.My point is if you trust your dealer there is no need for this, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[iani]

IMO all this is a moot point. It would be way to difficult or even impossible to implement something like this. You would need a governing organization that everyone would agree upon that would be the only party able to hand out certificates. How would you go about confirming who has a lineaged piece? You would have to rely on people's word. Having to rely on the what people say, there will be no way to absolutely prove something came from someone.

 

[iani]

Hmmm, very interesting debate going on here. I see some interesting tidbits I would like to focus on. One is price. I come from the school that an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So why by adding a COA would I inflate the price? If your not going to pay $200 for the piece whay would you now pay $250-$300? Doesnt make since to raise the price. I think it only adds credibility to the purchase and also the buyer feels a since of comfort in buying a legitimate product. The second is the "credible buyer" remarks I keep seeing pop up. Your exactly right, how do you know your even getting what your getting? It's called a credible source. I could lie to you all day long and tell you my "mystic sunset" montipora was of tryee liniage and I could COA it and you would never know the diff, but want I want is your long term business and not just a quick sell. If I keep your business and you tell others about me as a reputable seller in this business, I win and get more business driven to me. If I lie, eventually I will be found out and my business will be affected. What I am talking about with the COA is true liniage and proof that the coral is what you think it is. For example, one idea Im thinking about is I just aquired a large colony of Sunset Montipora with Tyree Liniage. If I sell you this piece and provide you a COA, I will also provide you with the liniage. For example on my certificate it would say something like, This sunset montipora has the fllowing liniage prior to this sell:

Steve Tyree to
Hugo Zuiga to
reefboy to
marko9 to
OIAB to the person in posession of this COA

Just one example.

If that is your example how would that change anything? I would not consider that a COA. All I would consider that as is a list of lineage. How your idea of a COA any different from someone giving the lineage of a piece. Who is it being authenticated by? You? That really makes no sense at all.

 

[ecotoxlady]

OK, so here's a question to think about. If you had two corals both same size same color from two reputable sources, but one had "proof" where it came from... Which would you buy?

For me it matters more what the reputation of the seller is and what the price of the coral is than whether or not I had a piece of paper proving where it came from.

 

[All Delight]

Yah that doesn't really mean much. I can get the in a pm from someone selling here. Then I would have to go through the process of getting a hold of all of them to verify it.

Then what happens when I frag the piece I got from you? Am I to make a COA?

 

[mrgreenthumb]

without a doubt a coral with lineage or proof that it is indeed what it is being sold as, is going to sell faster, and have a higher resale value, thus the reason for the higher price. No question about it!!

 

[Reef Pets]

I think another thing that comes into consideration is morphing. Lets say that I purchase an LE coral that has a COA. I have the coral for a year or so and it grows into a nice colony. During this process the coral morphs into a total different color. Then as I frag it I still sell it as the name given on the COA.
Once I sell a frag the buyer notices that other people have the same coral but what the buyer just bought is a completely different color. Lets say that the COA is from Ocean In A Box and the buyer contacts Ocean In A Box about the coral to see if the coral is authentic. Ocean In A Box is going to say no because it now looks like a completely different coral.
I know this happens because I use to be a dealer of ORA. I have a Chips Acropora that came directly from them and is still mounted to there plug. The Chips Acropora now has a blue/green body with yellow tips, looks nothing like a Chips.
I can't sell it as ORA because someone would spread the word that I am selling "fake named" coral even though I know that its an ORA Chips Acropora.
This can't happen with dogs and cats! A Chocolate Lab will not turn pink!

 

[Russellaqua]

It's not a bad idea. Drs Foster and Smith do it with all their captive grown corals so it's not unheard of.

 

[oceaninabox]

If that is your example how would that change anything? I would not consider that a COA. All I would consider that as is a list of lineage. How your idea of a COA any different from someone giving the lineage of a piece. Who is it being authenticated by? You? That really makes no sense at all.

Yes, that is liniage. The COA that we are producing is a holograpic seal much like the one pictured. At the very least the person purchasing the coral can feel somewhat assured they are getting the real deal. It still will boil down to honesty. Just like today when you emailed me about the "mystic sunset montipora" and asked if it was "Tyree" liniage. I could have said yes that It was Tyree liniage and you wouldnt know for sure either way. Steve Tyree doesnt give a COA, nor does he keep track of who purchases his corals. So my point is that if you are getting a COA from a reputable seller that is selling it as a LE w/COA, then you can rest assured for the most part that it is what it is. In regards to dealers charging more money, I would much rather sell 10 pieces of coral for $200 then selling 1 piece for $300 and sitting on the rest till they sell. I am in the business of farming and selling not waiting for the economy to turn around.