What do you think about COA's

[oceaninabox]

I also find it very interesting that the people that are not behind the COA's are typically the 1st people that ask if it has liniage or is the real deal!!!!!!!!

 

[mrgreenthumb]

haha now thats funny!!

 

[iani]

Yes, that is liniage. The COA that we are producing is a holograpic seal much like the one pictured. At the very least the person purchasing the coral can feel somewhat assured they are getting the real deal. It still will boil down to honesty. Just like today when you emailed me about the "mystic sunset montipora" and asked if it was "Tyree" liniage. I could have said yes that It was Tyree liniage and you wouldnt know for sure either way. Steve Tyree doesnt give a COA, nor does he keep track of who purchases his corals. So my point is that if you are getting a COA from a reputable seller that is selling it as a LE w/COA, then you can rest assured for the most part that it is what it is. In regards to dealers charging more money, I would much rather sell 10 pieces of coral for $200 then selling 1 piece for $300 and sitting on the rest till they sell. I am in the business of farming and selling not waiting for the economy to turn around.

Did you completely ignore this? You didn't answer anything about implementation, which in my opinion is nearly impossible. Your holographic seal would mean no more than your word. What would be the purpose of it? How would that be of value to anyone? I just don't see the logic behind this all. Who cares if there is a holographic seal, how is that different from you just stating the lineage? I'm pretty sure most people would see something that an individual could produce as a COA as something pretty pointless.

IMO all this is a moot point. It would be way to difficult or even impossible to implement something like this. You would need a governing organization that everyone would agree upon that would be the only party able to hand out certificates. How would you go about confirming who has a lineaged piece? You would have to rely on people's word. Having to rely on the what people say, there will be no way to absolutely prove something came from someone.

 

[oceanparadise1]

GOOOO GIANTS! lol

 

[iani]

I also find it very interesting that the people that are not behind the COA's are typically the 1st people that ask if it has liniage or is the real deal!!!!!!!!

Maybe b/c the people who ask for lineage realize the idea of having "COA's" is not as easy as you make it out to be. For ideas to work, generally they need to have a bit more thought behind it. Sure in an ideal world every idea would be easy to implement, every idea that sounded good would work. However, sorry to burst your bubble but things just don't work that way.

 

[returnofsid]

To everybody who's so against the concept of lineage or LE, I think the fact that you even contributed to this thread says otherwise.

I vote NO, but will withhold my reasons...based on the above comment and another similar to it. As to the above comment....How does the fact that I'm contributing to this thread say that I can't be against this concept? Makes no sense to me. If that were true, that would mean that anyone who contributes to this thread, agrees to the concept of a COA.

 

[oceanparadise1]

i disagree with that statement kigs with disagree and have the right to voice that, just bc we post here doesnt mean we agree with it or like it! i hate it, i also hate the bills and if i post in a bills thread about how they stink it doesnt me i really like them.

 

[revhtree Verified Admin]

I don't like the idea either. It's already pretty bad as it is and I have contributed to the hype so I take partial blame when I sell named zoas and palys. I do think the COA would be over the top a bit.

 

[joefish]

The coa would only be as good as the reputation of the buisiness who issues it. This will mainly help the coral farmers and the people they sell to. It will hurt the garage vendors and ebay pimps working every angle they can find.

 

[oceaninabox]

Thats the problem with the whole liniage thing. I personally could care less, thats why I start al my auctions at a penny. Not that I want to sell them cheap, but I want the buyer to feel as though they ngot what they wanted and paid what they felt comfortable in paying. But for those hard core liniage freaks out there, I still say COA is about the only solution to give some credibility to the purchase. OH well, just my .02 cents.

 

[Ian]

Steve Tyree doesnt give a COA, nor does he keep track of who purchases his corals.

Accually, Steve gives you a detailed recipt printed from his computer. Id assume those recipts are kept in a file on his computer. That means he would have a record of purchase...

This is not directed to anyone in particular, I promise, but if people wouldn't give the same 'nick-name' to a coral that appears similar to an LE/AE coral, it would cut down on some of the confusion. Why not come up with an original name to avoid confusion?

 

[oceaninabox]

Ummmm, I beg to differ Ian. I know people that have bought from Steve Tyree at shows and all he did was hand write them a receipt(no signature). Anybody can hand write a receipt. And coming up with the original name!!!! We did that with the AfterBurner and next month Steve Tyree is planning on making it one of his LE's so then what? Im going to tell him not dont do that? NOPE!!!!! This is the drive in the hobby which make it collectable. Notice I didnt say affordable, I said "collectable". Collectables have a premium value unlike day in and day out regular pieces. And after all, isnt that what were talking about is LE, collectable, Premium stock.

 

[iani]

I think you are missing his point, you see to do that a lot when you you want to avoid an issue. He is saying why don't people come up with unique names when they might happen on a piece that is similar to say an LE piece. I know you are guilty of using some names like that, ie. mystic sunset monti.

 

[Reef Pets]

I figure that there is one way to find out...... Try it and see if it works for you. Some people will like it and some will not. Most important thing is that it works or does not work and if the COA stays true to the linage.

 

[oceaninabox]

I think you are missing his point, you see to do that a lot when you you want to avoid an issue. He is saying why don't people come up with unique names when they might happen on a piece that is similar to say an LE piece. I know you are guilty of using some names like that, ie. mystic sunset monti.

Why do you use 2 names to reply. I notice you do this on RC as well! BigIan/Ianiwane!!!!! What am I avoiding? I was honest and up front with you when you asked the question. I said "NO" it is not a TYREE piece. Thats another perfect example of the importance of the COA.

 

[oceaninabox]

I figure that there is one way to find out...... Try it and see if it works for you. Some people will like it and some will not. Most important thing is that it works or does not work and if the COA stays true to the linage.

Your exactly right. This is something that we have chosen to do. Well, us and a few others. If it catches on then so be it, if it doesnt then at least our customers will have a little perk. I cannot see anyone not wanting to order a coral from us just because we give a COA.

 

[colinadam]

The coa would only be as good as the reputation of the buisiness who issues it. This will mainly help the coral farmers and the people they sell to. It will hurt the garage vendors and ebay pimps working every angle they can find.

I agree with this point.

A COA from a well known legit source (Atlantis, Reef Ready, Exoticfrags) would be beneficial while a COA from a Fly by night company would be good for toilet paper.

 

[Kigs!]

Perry - I think bigian(Ian on RC) and ianiwane are two different people.

 

[slovan]

I think the COA would only help a vendor sell the coral. What if I buy a coral from ATL with a COA and then sell frags of it a year from now, then I get out of the hobby and disappear? The people who bought the frags from me will have no way of verifying it when they go to sell their frags. It makes it even harder as the coral gets propagated frequently.

 

[oceaninabox]

I think the COA would only help a vendor sell the coral. What if I buy a coral from ATL with a COA and then sell frags of it a year from now, then I get out of the hobby and disappear? The people who bought the frags from me will have no way of verifying it when they go to sell their frags. It makes it even harder as the coral gets propagated frequently.

Yes, because if you sell a frag of your liniage piece with a COA you can provide them with a copy of the COA. The original COA's will come from the seller to the original purchaser.