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I think it is the same person.:bigsmile:
What do you think about COA's
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One thing is certain, you may end up having to back your COA up in court should you decide to use it as a marketing tool. A COA would amount to guarantee and as such it is a basis for legal liability. Suing someone for fraud over a coral is not something I would waste my time on but I guarantee there is someone out there who will.
Are you prepared to prove where the coral originates from once you provide the COA? I know last time I asked you where a piece advertised as Tyree "lineaged" on your site came from you told me you couldn't remember but that you were the lineage. If your going to provide a COA you had better be prepared to provide the proof beyond your COA when pressed.
Are you prepared to prove where the coral originates from once you provide the COA? I know last time I asked you where a piece advertised as Tyree "lineaged" on your site came from you told me you couldn't remember but that you were the lineage. If your going to provide a COA you had better be prepared to provide the proof beyond your COA when pressed.
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Too much potential to counterfit. I am not saying it would happen but the potential is there. Let's say I frag 20 pieces off the mother colony of ATL appleberry palawanensis and sell them with a photo copy of the COA. Those 20 individuals could sell similar looking pieces because they got the real frag from me. It could potentially damage my reputation because I sold them a piece but they are selling knock offs.
I am not trying to discredit your idea, I just like playing the devil's advocate from time to time. :wink: You could start certifying your corals and the idea could take off. In that case, good for you.
I don't think it's a good or bad idea. If you have customers that feel warm and fuzzy with a coa then coa it is. I'd be willing to bet some consumers would go as far as to NOT buy a coral that comes with a coa. I honestly have no idea but was wondering if it's common that people try to sell or trade frags that are not LE? I'm sure it happens, but I didn't know if it happened regularly. A lot of these LEs would be pretty tough to duplicate with an identical piece or no? I could see the need for a coa system if there was a lot of fakes and frauds...
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Kigs is correct, we aren't the same guy. I (Ian/bigian) am from Southern California...
Ianiwane is from North California...
I do believe we are trying to make the same point, FWIW...
You are correct, you were honest about your coral not being of Tyree lineage. Ianiwane is correct in his response to you though, I was wondering why someone, not just you Perry, with a coral that appears similar to an established LE coral, would give that coral the same name, i.e. mystic sunset, mind trick monti, etc...? Why not make up an original name to avoid confusion?
You are making this big stink about COAs and meanwhile you are selling a coral with the same name as an established LE coral. People selling phony corals is the whole reason this COA matter has come up. Im not sure how you don't understand this...
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BigIan/Ianiwane are two different people
This is the same type of assumption that screws up the whole lineage issue.
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I'd say a 50% vote in favor of the silly certificates is enough to warrant them. Anyone against the idea has the right to discard any paperwork received with the coral.
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Realistically even if only 10% of hobbyists want some kind of certificate it is probably worth doing. It certainly isn't hurting anything. And if it drives the frag price up what's the problem? This is a capitalist country.
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What happens if a NEW vendor wants to start selling and just because he is new he gets no respect as far as the COA's. It would kinda monopolize the LE market IMHO for the older, well known vendors.
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If there was one thing on this whole thread that had any merit, it is your statement Rev. However, I think anyone that just starting out would be able to produce the same type of information. It's still going to boil down to reputation. Even the COA is only as good as the person that stands behind it. For what ever it's worth Im telling you guys as a hobbyist this is where this is going. If I stopped selling coral today it would still evolve. I was in the baseball card business for many years and you could buy sell and trade cards everywhere. Then it happened. It evolved into grading and LE, and COA, and so on and so on. It will happen, im just seeing it from behind the scene I guess. Im not trying to upset the apple cart by no means, but it's all you folks that hype all the LE stuff that is driving it this direction. It's not me, It's you!!!!!
Here's another thought I just had....
If this COA thing were to happen, wouldn't it need to originate with Steve Tyree? If it's certified as a Steve Tyree LE coral, I would expect the COA to start with Steve Tyree...not a retailer selling it. So, Steve Tyree would need to start the COA personally.
The other thing that bothers me about it is that it's similar to describing a coral as "rare." There's no such thing as a "rare" coral, and if there is, it's caused by withholding them from the market....NOT because they're rare in nature...yet SOOOO many are described as "rare" as a way to justify the exorbatant prices that are charged.
If this COA thing were to happen, wouldn't it need to originate with Steve Tyree? If it's certified as a Steve Tyree LE coral, I would expect the COA to start with Steve Tyree...not a retailer selling it. So, Steve Tyree would need to start the COA personally.
The other thing that bothers me about it is that it's similar to describing a coral as "rare." There's no such thing as a "rare" coral, and if there is, it's caused by withholding them from the market....NOT because they're rare in nature...yet SOOOO many are described as "rare" as a way to justify the exorbatant prices that are charged.
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Actually, that couldn't be more wrong. There are coral that are rare in nature.
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Yup, truly wrong, I have begged to get the same coral come in on a shipment and even years later have not seen it. The divers say, they just never see it even when they were in approx the same area. So, I would have to say...There are indeed rare corals. some corals dotn grow as fast as others and some dont reproduce the same way either.
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The irony in all this is that you have managed to passionately discuss a topic for pages but have yet to spell it right
Spell what right?
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haha wow i'm amazed at whaty people choose to take from this discussion....
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I would agree that some sort of COA or Lineage would be a nice thing. I'm personally bothered by individuals that sell frags and call it an LE when it's really not ... it just happens to look somewhat similar. I have a couple friends that do it and it really irritates me. I happen to like many of the LE corals and I make sure I know that the person I'm buying from is selling an LE item.
Not sure how the price would be impacted as they are already pricey!
Not sure how the price would be impacted as they are already pricey!
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What exactly are you referring to?
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