What do you think about COA's

[coral]

Please leave any personal political feelings at home.
Thanks.

 

[oceaninabox]

The odds of finding an exact match to an Oregon mummy eye or the original watermelon are about as slim as winning the lottery. With this in mind the chances of fraud are near irrelivent. Also if you find me a frag of an exact look alike to the original watermelon or Oregon mummy eye I would gladly pay the same price as the real deal.

You and me both!!!!!!

 

[sleeper]

Joke guys, sorry to offend but let the man print his holograms, and lighten up!

 

[mrgreenthumb]

I completely agree!!!

The odds of finding an exact match to an Oregon mummy eye or the original watermelon are about as slim as winning the lottery. With this in mind the chances of fraud are near irrelivent. Also if you find me a frag of an exact look alike to the original watermelon or Oregon mummy eye I would gladly pay the same price as the real deal.

 

[oceanparadise1]

o and yea i do like to argue

 

[I-K@ndY]

o and yea i do like to argue

I can tell :snicker:

 

[oceanparadise1]

i jus have a point and i feel i have a right to argue it just as well as any one else

 

[mrgreenthumb]

true true!!

 

[returnofsid]

I'm confused....maybe you can help me out.
Okay....In response to what I mentioned earlier about lineage needing to come directly from Steve Tyree....or whomever the coral was named after, you said, this isn't about lineage, but about authentication.

Here's how you responded.

You guys are confusing the issue. A COA is strictly a document that certifies the coral is "AS STATED". You are confusing it with "lineage". Think about it like this, when you buy a pure bred "BEAGLE" or any pure bred for that matter. When you buy the breed you can get a certification paper from the AKC which indicates that this breed is pure bred "AKC Certificate". They dont send you a pedigree or in this case "lineage" as that requires more time and additional payments to process. What I am posing is to offer a COA certificate only to my customers. No difference IMO. It will be an OIAB certified coral. Got it?

Here's a quote from your original post that you started this thread with.

We have been talking to a few of our fellow hobbyist and have decided we want to consisder doing a "certificate of authenticity" with any LE coral we sell. That way somewhere down the road after the buyer grows it out and decides they want to sell a frag there is no squabbles over the whole liniage thing. What do you think? COA or No?

Here's another quote from OIAB regarding your later statement that this isn't about lineage.

Hmmm, very interesting debate going on here. I see some interesting tidbits I would like to focus on. One is price. I come from the school that an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So why by adding a COA would I inflate the price? If your not going to pay $200 for the piece whay would you now pay $250-$300? Doesnt make since to raise the price. I think it only adds credibility to the purchase and also the buyer feels a since of comfort in buying a legitimate product. The second is the "credible buyer" remarks I keep seeing pop up. Your exactly right, how do you know your even getting what your getting? It's called a credible source. I could lie to you all day long and tell you my "mystic sunset" montipora was of tryee liniage and I could COA it and you would never know the diff, but want I want is your long term business and not just a quick sell. If I keep your business and you tell others about me as a reputable seller in this business, I win and get more business driven to me. If I lie, eventually I will be found out and my business will be affected. What I am talking about with the COA is true liniage and proof that the coral is what you think it is. For example, one idea Im thinking about is I just aquired a large colony of Sunset Montipora with Tyree Liniage. If I sell you this piece and provide you a COA, I will also provide you with the liniage. For example on my certificate it would say something like, This sunset montipora has the fllowing liniage prior to this sell:

Steve Tyree to
Hugo Zuiga to
reefboy to
marko9 to
OIAB to the person in posession of this COA

Just one example.

See why I'm confused?

 

[oceanparadise1]

seems like he keeps changing his mind

 

[oceaninabox]

its alot easyier to pass of a coral as something then a dog, i have a half pit half rottie, am i gonna try and tell you its a black lab bc its black and i have papers lol

Phil sometimes you just dont make any sense. For one thing you will never get papers on a half breed. For another even if you had fake papers and I was in the market for a lab, if your fake papered lab looked like a rott/pit mix why would I buy it papered or not? Yes the papers might be fake but your not gonna make your pitt/rott look like a lab if thats what im wanting. Just doesnt quite reflect the same meaning!

 

[oceanparadise1]

Phil sometimes you just dont make any sense. For one thing you will never get papers on a half breed. For another even if you had fake papers and I was in the market for a lab, if your fake papered lab looked like a rott/pit mix why would I buy it papered or not? Yes the papers might be fake but your not gonna make your pitt/rott look like a lab if thats what im wanting. Just doesnt quite reflect the same meaning!

sure it does its the point....the point was sometimes u cant tell, if you saw my dog and i told you she was a lab you would not know....shes doesnt have marking of either dog and is completely black.....the point was you could pass some thing off as it just bc you had the papers...talking about not making sense i beleive you have contradicited your self 3 or 4 times in this thread....

 

[oceaninabox]

Would you agree? Buy what you like, and like what you buy?????

 

[joefish]

The coa has to be tranferable with frags, that would require some extra book keeping on the vendors part, which they should be compensated for. Say i have a COA piece from vendorX when i am ready to frag it they verify by sales record and photo of the mother colony and then the frags from it to be legit and for a small fee issue COA to be sold with the frag. We are talking about frags the size of a dime starting at $100. I dont see a COA adding more than $10 to the cost and you get a little piece of mind. As far as the "faking" part most hobbyist dont have access to corals that look even close to anything selling in the high end market to fake it. The only people who could possibley fake it are those who can import coral or buy from the larger wholesalers which makes you commercial, you know who you are!

 

[rebelprettyboy]

Id LOVE a COA w my coral purchase, Just an extra bonus!
Lol finally thought id put my .2 cents in since ive ben reading this thread

 

[oceaninabox]

The coa has to be tranferable with frags, that would require some extra book keeping on the vendors part, which they should be compensated for. Say i have a COA piece from vendorX when i am ready to frag it they verify by sales record and photo of the mother colony and then the frags from it to be legit and for a small fee issue COA to be sold with the frag. We are talking about frags the size of a dime starting at $100. I dont see a COA adding more than $10 to the cost and you get a little piece of mind. As far as the "faking" part most hobbyist dont have access to corals that look even close to anything selling in the high end market to fake it. The only people who could possibley fake it are those who can import coral or buy from the larger wholesalers which makes you commercial, you know who you are!

Joe, If I werent married I'd kiss ya!!!! Ummmmm, scratch that.....Anyways, as ar as your statement "as far as the faking part" is right on the money. And at that point it simply comes down to reputation.

 

[AussieExoticCorals]

certificate of authenticity = one way to jack the price up :moneygrubber:

 

[oceanparadise1]

certificate of authenticity = one way to jack the price up :moneygrubber:

+100000000000000000000000000

 

[oceanparadise1]

Would you agree? Buy what you like, and like what you buy?????

This is also +100000000000000000000


theres something we can agree on perry

 

[oceaninabox]

certificate of authenticity = one way to jack the price up :moneygrubber:

I say HOG POOKIE to all you that say it is a means to jack the prices up. I dont see that as being the intent, but I suppose some dealers may do that. Im not going to.....READ MY LIPS....Im not going to!!!!

I will debunk that theory right here and now. Any coral that OIAB has a current inventory of at the time we issue a COA we will offer a 10% discount. How about that for a decrease? You buy one of our COA corals and instantly get a 10% discount and get the COA at no additional charge. We'll offer this for one full year, from the time we start offering COA's. BADA BING!!!!:haha: