Booger Sized Frags: What are your thoughts?

I agree with you. I have learned to look at pics before buying. But even then you really don't know what you will get.
 
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Speaking of booger sized frags, I received this frag of the Tangerine Dreams that was supposed to be a whole lot larger than the frag I actually received.

The vendor posted a WYSIWYG picture, which is the reason why I purchased the coral; However, when I finally received it, the Tangerine Dream was litteraly the size of a grain of rice.

Below is my picture. I had to take it with a ruler to see exactly how small the frag was.

I think all vendors selling corals should post a WYSIWYG along with a ruler to show exactly the size of the coral. If they don't post a picture with a ruler, then the coral shouldn't be allowed to sell on Reef2Reef or any website.

Sorry to read and see that .. that is not good business ... especially if they advertised a larger one and you got what I see in that pic .. wow ..:-(
 
My favorite is "big chunky frags the size of a dime or nickel". Goes to show you what people think of frag size. If. Endors are afraid to put up wysiwyg there is a reason why. Hint: no one would buy the little boogers.

I bought one listed as a "nugget" and it was small. So small it couldn't be identified, but I knew that going in. And I definitely agree with the WYSIWYG theory, and don't approve of only showing the mother colony without a photo of the actual piece. I have had only one online vendor that I have had issues with in terms of livestock and have not made any other purchases from them. All other vendors I have dealt with have been great and receptive.

That nugget has turned into gold! It is a green and orange chalice that I see selling for $600 a frag. Nice little $50 gamble.
 
I bought one listed as a "nugget" and it was small. So small it couldn't be identified, but I knew that going in. And I definitely agree with the WYSIWYG theory, and don't approve of only showing the mother colony without a photo of the actual piece. I have had only one online vendor that I have had issues with in terms of livestock and have not made any other purchases from them. All other vendors I have dealt with have been great and receptive.

That nugget has turned into gold! It is a green and orange chalice that I see selling for $600 a frag. Nice little $50 gamble.

The one you bought was actually a chalice ?



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It seems to me that the whole booger thing is nothing but greed and disregard for anybody or anything but themselves....It is certainly not in the best interest of the creature....I generally feel that all the seller really needs to do is actually grow a frag before fragging it.....

And Wesley...I hate that for you bro....selling that speck of coral was nothing but theft.....and an insult to the coral itself...
 
The thing is that we the hobbyist have ok'd these things by purchasing the $1000 booger and thats why it continues to happen.

This is spot on the reason why it happens, and, I hate to say, much of why it happens is because of large forums like this one and others, where a guy comes on, selling a one tiny eye chalice frag for $400, and, then everyone jumps on the thread saying how "sexy" the frag is (who thinks a coral is sexy?!?), and often I wonder if those commenting are just the seller's "hype men." Some even say how much of a "bargain" that price is for such a "SEXY CORAL." Sure, the mother colony might be gorgeous, but, how long will that tiny little frag, if it survives, take to grow to something recognizable as the mother colony? Years! I have been in this hobby for a decade now. Most reefers don't make it that long, and the dropout rate is usually around the 2-3 year mark due to frustration, failure, finances, etc. I can remember when I could buy an ENTIRE, very colorful chalice COLONY for $50 or less, or an entire ROCK of nicely colored zoas for $35 or less. You could buy huge colonies of nicely colored Acropora and other colonies for under $100. What I see people selling tiny pieces or single polyps of coral for these days (individuals and vendors) absolutely galls me. And, by our own behavior in STARTING and accepting this trend, the wholesalers, divers, etc., have caught on, and now sell to the local fish store for obscene prices what was once very reasonable. Tyree and his ilk have ruined for me and others that which was once a somewhat affordable hobby. Yes, life is not fair, and this is how capitalism works when someone with more money than sense is willing to drop several hundred dollars on a bugger frag, but, it doesn't make it right, not in my book.
 
It's the brand new just glued photoshopped under $5000 LED's booger frags that I hate!! Cause ya know they ain't gonna look like that under your T5's no matter what your parameters are and being such tiny itty bitty lil boogers they gonna die right after the arrive alive guarantee expires...which just so happens to be the next day :(
And.....there are many of us who can ONLY afford booger frags.....who live in towns with only 2 LFS who sell SW who's markups are 110% talk about booger frags!! I still don't have a Chalice :(
 
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And Wesley...I hate that for you bro....selling that speck of coral was nothing but theft.....and an insult to the coral itself...


MitchReef, you are correct. Selling such a small piece of a chalice is crazy. Not only is it absurd, but there is no respect for the coral.

These are creatures that we are lucky to own and yet some people feel that it is ok to chop them up into tiny pieces and ship them off to a new home. There is obviously a total disregard on the survivability on the coral once it arrives halfway across the US.
 
Well, if I know I'm getting a booger size frag for a booger price... I'm cool with it. Only way I can afford to get some of these pieces. Kinda cool growing it out from nothing as well.


I Booger sized pieces aren't worth it, not even if I was given the piece for free.

The care and time it would take to grow out a chalice the size of a grain of rice is difficult. I have heard of eyeless chalice frags surviving, but something so tiny without an eye has a 0% chance of surviving.

If the TD were still alive today, it would have taken years for that frag to grow to a acceptable size.

Sorry to hear about your TD experience. I agree that the grain of sand frags are wrong and probably not going to survive. My idea of a booger is slighter bigger. I've bought my share of single eyes, polyps, heads, etc. It's what I can afford for the pieces I'd like to have. I'll never buy a ridiculous 'Baller Pack' ... but have had some luck haggling the price on smaller pieces and growing them out. I've had a few bad experiences as well. It's a gamble, but one I can afford. I got time...

Receiving a single polyp attached by nothing but glue still irks me though.

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Booger frags are the reason those magnifiers were invented for the reef aquariums =P I am not into corals yet, but when I look over the frag tubs at the LFS I cannot believe how small these things are.
 
This certainly settles it for me. I will NOT be buying on line. I am lucky to have a couple wonderful LFS with some great livestock and reasonable prices, and I get to see what I am buying. And if I really desperately NEED something I've seen on line I have a feeling the LFS can find a nice piece for me.
I know this hobby is a whole lot of patience and waiting....but I don't want to wait years to see my corals with the naked eye and not under magnification LOL
 
This certainly settles it for me. I will NOT be buying on line. I am lucky to have a couple wonderful LFS with some great livestock and reasonable prices, and I get to see what I am buying. And if I really desperately NEED something I've seen on line I have a feeling the LFS can find a nice piece for me.
I know this hobby is a whole lot of patience and waiting....but I don't want to wait years to see my corals with the naked eye and not under magnification LOL

Lucky you are indeed to have a number of real good LFS's near you ... and on that last comment +1
 
However there are some vendors we have learned to trust, who go out of their way to make sure customers come back and buy more.
 
However there are some vendors we have learned to trust, who go out of their way to make sure customers come back and buy more.
But aren't they themselves still selling small frags for high prices? Maybe not 'booger frags', but small non the less.....
It is so discouraging to go to site after site looking for corals for my tanks, and all I keep seeing is tiny 1 to 2 inch frags at stupid prices.
I don't want to wait years to see my tank full and grown in....
 
But aren't they themselves still selling small frags for high prices? Maybe not 'booger frags', but small non the less.....
It is so discouraging to go to site after site looking for corals for my tanks, and all I keep seeing is tiny 1 to 2 inch frags at stupid prices.
I don't want to wait years to see my tank full and grown in....

I guess all you can do is call them after you see something and then get an exact description of what they are sending if you order ... and the other way is to buy larger pieces but then of course the price goes up ...
 
I try to stay away from booger frags but like others have stated the photo's will fool you sometimes .
This was sold to me as a ATL Strawberry Fields Acro . The seller advised it was small but would be at least 1/2 inch .
I didn't pay $$$$ like some chalice frags I have seen . It has started to base now but I did have to change plugs . (algae plug) .
It will take a while to grow out( i am okay with it ) but as you can see it does not even come close to 1/2 inch .
Yep it's a booger frag ..

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I personally cringe when I see someone make an instant reef out of colonies. While I do think excessive markup does get out of control in this hobby, I still think the best part is watching them grow.
 
I am OK with a booger sized frag if the price is right. With a lot of the hype from major vendors, most of us could not afford a colony or mini colony, unless we were ready to shell out $10K for the newest "gotta have it" piece. Hype and shilling by the major vendors minions have driven prices through the roof in our hobby.
 
I don't buy boogers...I can find enough in my nose

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