Raising Dendronephthya and Scleronephthya, next step, pt1

[Subsea]

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The dog does not look happy.

@Lasse
Talk to me about Chaeto Juice for NPS. I will soon get a few deep water gorgonions that are NPS and I am researching differrent foods.

 

[Lasse]

It was @Jomama that talk about this first. He say that it works good for him with NPS. - therefore Jomama juice However - I have not have any success with "fleshy" LPS and I decided to test because I suspect that it will release some sugars and amino acids to the water too. Some of my LPS react directly with showing catch tentacles in a way I have not seen before. We will see what´s happen - someone has to try . Test - it is simple. Take a hand blender. Some handfull of Chaeto - some RO water. Mix very well - as small particles as possible. Filter and dilute with RO water. Put in the refrigerator. Dose to the tank. I have a magnetic stirrer - starting 60 seconds pri dosing.

Sincerely Lasse

 

[Subsea]

Jomama Juice Power!!!

Would red ogo work: Gracilaria Parvispora?

Why hand blender? I can blend it into a paste with electric blender.

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

It was @Jomama that talk about this first. He say that it works good for him with NPS. - therefore Jomama juice However - I have not have any success with "fleshy" LPS and I decided to test because I suspect that it will release some sugars and amino acids to the water too. Some of my LPS react directly with showing catch tentacles in a way I have not seen before. We will see what´s happen - someone has to try . Test - it is simple. Take a hand blender. Some handfull of Chaeto - some RO water. Mix very well - as small particles as possible. Filter and dilute with RO water. Put in the refrigerator. Dose to the tank. I have a magnetic stirrer - starting 60 seconds pri dosing.

Sincerely Lasse

King O Sabe (lone ranger) @Lasse, also may add very little quantity, you need to determine amount, start small. Add raw egg,it has protein, majority of amino acids, bacteria, etc....
I do it, found out too much egg, explosion of bacteria . Have fun

 

[Subsea]

@Lasse
Are you familiar with the Triton Method? It came up in an algae thread about stressing macro to give up amino acids to feed coral. Would Jomama Juice be analogous to growing macro in a reef tank?

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

Jomama Juice Power!!!

Would red ogo work: Gracilaria Parvispora?

Why hand blender? I can blend it into a paste with electric blender.

It's Lasse's French accent, getting in the way. I think he means, hand held electric blender, or any type.

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

It was @Jomama that talk about this first. He say that it works good for him with NPS. - therefore Jomama juice However - I have not have any success with "fleshy" LPS and I decided to test because I suspect that it will release some sugars and amino acids to the water too. Some of my LPS react d
irectly with showing catch tentacles in a way I have not seen before. We will see what´s happen - someone has to try . Test - it is simple. Take a hand blender. Some handfull of Chaeto - some RO water. Mix very well - as small particles as possible. Filter and dilute with RO water. Put in the refrigerator. Dose to the tank. I have a magnetic stirrer - starting 60 seconds pri dosing.

Sincerely Lasse

I started with chaeto, like @Lasse mentioned, but only for dendronephthya and scleronephthya. With time added my 50 secret herbs and spices(figure speech), raw egg all corals love. Very fine material.

 

[Subsea]

Raw egg! Do corals prefer Eggs Benedict.

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

Jomama Juice Power!!!

Would red ogo work: Gracilaria Parvispora?

Why hand blender? I can blend it into a paste with electric blender.

I choose chateo, because that was in my refugium. Youll have to try red ogo, let us know how it works @Subsea. Jomama juice is jamba juice for corals.

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

My child of the sea still kicking, two others getting stronger to stand.

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

My child of the sea still kicking, two others getting stronger to stand.

Forgot, I was very concerned with ammonia,because heavy feeding, got the right test kit to check for Free ammonia.
Test is 0. Looking good

 

[Lasse]

It's Lasse's French accent, getting in the way. I think he means, hand held electric blender, or any type.

Probably Google translate has been coded by a French guy I took it from Google translate but yes - I mean an electrical hand held blender or something that makes the chaeto be very fine chopped. I use it as a green liquid.

@Lasse
Are you familiar with the Triton Method? It came up in an algae thread about stressing macro to give up amino acids to feed coral. Would Jomama Juice be analogous to growing macro in a reef tank?

Yes I use it (or a variant of it) by myself. I have Chaeto in my fuge. I test first with small cyanobacteria (not the ones we have problem with) - get some results but not at much as with this. No it want not be analogous with growing macro - more the opposite. But instead of bringing in food from the outside - I recycle things that already is in the system - a type of closed loop for food .

I do not know if this work in the long run without any issues but at least - I do not add any new nutrients or substances - only the ones that already are in the system but in biomass instead of dissolved in the water column. The goal is that I should not need to use PO4 and NO3 from the outside in order to maintain the values I want to have. I have to do that today. It is the goal with my whole system.

Sincerely Lasse

 

[Subsea]

@Lasse
You seek to balance your system with zero nutrients in or out? That sounds like “Steady State Theory” and
“Nutrient Recycling” on steroids.

I operate almost the opposite of that. I feed heavy and I harvest coral & sell coral for nutrient export.

Laissez les bonne temps roulee,
Patrick

 

[Subsea]

[I do not know if this work in the long run without any issues but at least - I do not add any new nutrients or substances - only the ones that already are in the system but in biomass instead of dissolved in the water column. The goal is that I should not need to use PO4 and NO3 from the outside in order to maintain the values I want to have. I have to do that today. It is the goal with my whole system. ]

@Lasse
With respect to “long run” I attempt to make up enzymes, trace minerals and catalyst. With my focus on macro algae, I went to Florida Aqua Farms and purchased their macro nutrient package

PLANT FUEL & PLANT FUEL TOO
[Complete soluble, stable source of supplemental trace metals and vitamins. Principally formulated for commercial aquaculture to enhance growth and color of large (macro) freshwater and saltwater plants and algae. This formula has been used in Florida Aqua Farm’s plant division for over 20 years. Primary nutrients, nitrate and phosphate, are not present in Plant Fuel . Formulated for use in aquaria and ponds that have established populations of fish and/or invertebrates that are being fed. Metabolism of waste products and excess food normally provide suitable levels of nitrate and phosphate. If you intend to grow only plants we suggest our full strength formula Plant Fuel Too which include nitrate and phosphate. Both Plant Fuel’s are enriched with chelated iron, iodide and other essential aquatic trace metals and vitamins including B12, biotin thiamin and others. To save on shipping costs we also offer dry formulations with little water for gallon sizes only. You mix and add ingredients as instructed.]

In my macro tumble culture tanks I just started using the above “nutrient cocktail”. I control dose using nitrate as control parameter. However, yesterday, while on an algae thread, a differrent product was highlighted. This product has more B complex vitamins. I am considering using it along with dosing amino acids on my established display tank.

What are your thoughts on dosing amino acid in a reef tank with macro algae?

What processes in our reef tanks produce amino acids?



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[Lasse]

I try to minimize my input to things that I can control. I can´t control the food but I believe that in my fish food - many of the trace elements is present and I will have them incorporated in my chaeto. I hope that this "juice" will content most of the things my filtrating animals need. The amino acids come from bacterial breakdown of proteins - I let my skimmate go back to the DT. Yes - I want steady state and I want to see how close to this target i can come.

Sincerely Lasse

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

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[shred5]

I kept NPS corals for a short period along time ago.

NPS should be a little easier to keep because nutrient control is much easier nowadays. Also there are a few more ways to feed corals continuously or around the clock.
I used a small fridge with a dosing pump.

One thing that seemed to help allot was dosing bacteria. I feel some nps corals feed on bacteria. I added vodka to the tank to help increase bacteria and nutrient control.
Phyto was fed but not sure many corals were benefiting.
I always wanted to add a fuge with a bunch of peppermint shrimp since they breed so regularly.
I had a skimmer but always felt maybe it was not a good thing for a nps tank but with all the feeding it was needed.
Mechanical filtration is not a good thing at all in a NPS tank I felt.

It takes dedication and time and is defiantly not easy thing to do, but nowadays some of the varieties should be able to be kept that we were not able to keep a while back.

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

I kept NPS corals for a short period along time ago.

NPS should be a little easier to keep nowadays because nutrient control is much easier nowadays. Also there are a few more ways to feed corals continuously or around the clock.
I used a small fridge with a dosing pump.

One thing that seemed to help allot was dosing bacteria. I feel some nps corals feed on bacteria. I added vodka to the tank to help increase bacteria and nutrient control.
Phyto was fed but not sure many corals were benefiting.
I always wanted to add a fuge with a bunch of peppermint shrimp since they breed so regularly.
I had a skimmer but always felt maybe it was not a good thing for a nps tank but with all the feeding it was needed.
Mechanical filtration is not a good thing at all in a NPS tank I felt.

It takes dedication and time and is defiantly not easy thing to do but nowadays some of the varieties should be able to be kept that we were not able to keep a while back.

Thanks for that info. I've been kicking around the idea of frig. Just need to locate close to tank.
And yes bacteria I think key to success with some nps corals.

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

Tank within a tank

For the future cuttings of dendronephthya or scleronephthya

 

[Dr. Dendrostein]

4 days ago I feed direct to sump, strontium, iodine, amino acids, it effected corals, it was 20-30ml. But I should delute it.
Two corals still trying to recoup. Bummer