This could end very badly for our hobby ...

[Wbr46797]

Reeflivesmatter#

 

[eatbreakfast]

Cyanide capture is illegal mostly everywhere. Just like murder.

While cyanide capture is illegal almost everywhere, Florida law allows chemical collecting with quinaldine. This is one of the only llaces in the world where chemical collecting is allowed.

 

[4FordFamily]

National Geographic is doing another article in the future that will hopefully provide a more balanced view. They spent a few days out collecting with fishermen from RVS Fishworld, one of the largest suppliers of Filipino fish.

In many areas sustainable fish methods have been used for a while, and local fishermen are beginning to appreciate their role in coral reef preservation. Properly trained fishermen in reef settings can have a positive affect on conservation, much like native fishermen in some areas of the Amazon river basin have stemmed some of the tide of deforestation in the areas that they collect wild fish.

Also, this documentary seems big in our mind as aquarists, but there are a lot of documentaries released every year, and honestly how many do you watch? Honestly? It is usually only about a subject that interests you already or has gotten good reviews elsewhere. Blackfish had an impact because it received good reviews and most people in America are familiar with Shamu and SeaWorld, There are no guarantees that it will be good or that there will be an appetite for it.

For every documentary that sparks any kind of collective outrage, there are countless others that people shrug off after viewing.

The negative press was big news in the hobby, but was it really a conversation piece for any of your non fish friends?

This is exactly what I was thinking, at least the part about will anyone actually watch it? There are a plethora of documentaries that go unnoticed because no one cares or is familiar enough with the subject matter and there are no "celebrity endorsements"

 

[Elementalj]

Heres what I sent to the contact page

I understand were there is demand there will be supply, and of course there should be regulations on importation of marine life - or any life for that matter (Has to be ALL countries). But to attack and call it a "Dark Hobby" is wrong in my opinion, STOP with the am-onus music trying to scare people, how about you state FACTS and let people decide for them selfs. you know like a real documentary? NO ONE loves marine life more than the hobbysts. And no one wants to destroy the reefs NO ONE, I get your trying to educate people.. "This is Hawaii treasure, this is Hawaii culture and their stealing it" -says the guy. my eyes just rolled so hard my retina detached.

Mine rolled so hard I think I saw the front of my BRAIN

 

[Steve Jones]

From film description " The trade depends on wildlife, including Hawaii’s, to drive lucrative hardware sales—tanks, stands, lights, filters, pumps and little plastic treasure chests with skeletons." So how many saltwater folks have plastic treasure chests and skeletons? That sounds more like a kid's goldfish tank. Do they really know anything about the hobby? Or is it just a hatchet job?

 

[Elementalj]

From film description " The trade depends on wildlife, including Hawaii’s, to drive lucrative hardware sales—tanks, stands, lights, filters, pumps and little plastic treasure chests with skeletons." So how many saltwater folks have plastic treasure chests and skeletons? That sounds more like a kid's goldfish tank. Do they really know anything about the hobby? Or isn't just a hatchet job?

I guess they did their research at the local Walmart pet section! [emoji23][emoji12][emoji13]

 

[Flippers4pups]

Where do these people get their Statistics from!

"99% dead within a year"?

Fear mongering to make a buck is what this is about! Nothing less, nothing more.

 

[Elementalj]

Where do these people get their Statistics from!

"99% dead within a year"?

Fear mongering to make a buck is what this is about! Nothing less, nothing more.

If the true statistics were mentioned here, he'd also need to account for all those kids wanting Nemo and Dory, just to feed them school paste because the kid thinks it tastes good!

ASININE

 

[Steve Jones]

Where do these people get their Statistics from!

Like a good politician - they make them up.

 

[Flippers4pups]

They are asking for donations to make this film? What a scam! Out to make a buck! Nonprofit my $&@!

 

[Steve Jones]

They are asking for donations to make this film? What a scam! Out to make a buck! Nonprofit my $&@!

So - they've already determined the conclusion and now want to make a film that shows the conclusions they've predetermined? That's not a documentary. That's a snuff film aimed at a certain segment of society.

 

[Elementalj]

So - they've already determined the conclusion and now want to make a film that shows the conclusions they've predetermined? That's not a documentary. That's a snuff film aimed at a certain segment of society.

Indeed!

 

[stevieduk]

Well I agree there is an impact from our hobby on reef life, I think other things (pollution, reef bleaching/destruction etc) that do much more damage than our hobby does and I feel like we are just easier to targets.

oh wake up and smell the coffee , just listen to yourselves in total denial. speak to any diver and ask them how the undersea landscape has changed in the last twenty years. you cant keep taking hundreds or thousands of fish a month, and it not have an impact. they dont breed that fast, and if you look at all the dead fish laid out in rows , well thats not pollution , thats the ones who didnt even make it off the island.
this is as bad if not worst than the ivory trade killing elephants and rhinos. Difference is we can breed elephants and rhinos in zoos to restock if needed in the future, we cannot breed yellow tangs ect so what happens when they are all gone. there should be a three year cycle bought in , no taking for two years then allowed in the third year, then two off again , at least it would give a chance for the stocks to build up

 

[seth&angelle]

I see both sides of the argument, but I'm not sure which direction is going to "save the planet".. (I think the planet is screwed when it comes down to it, just a matter of time) The sheer amount of water wasted in this hobby has to be astounding. What do you think will happen when the freshwater is used up? The continents will be harvesting ocean water to turn into freshwater! Then what will the hobby do? Waste 2/3 of that to turn it back to saltwater! lol

Run out of water, are you serious? Come to south Louisiana, we have plenty of water for ya to borrow. As a matter of fact, it's up to our rooftops.

 

[Elementalj]

oh wake up and smell the coffee , just listen to yourselves in total denial. speak to any diver and ask them how the undersea landscape has changed in the last twenty years. you cant keep taking hundreds or thousands of fish a month, and it not have an impact. they dont breed that fast, and if you look at all the dead fish laid out in rows , well thats not pollution , thats the ones who didnt even make it off the island.
this is as bad if not worst than the ivory trade killing elephants and rhinos. Difference is we can breed elephants and rhinos in zoos to restock if needed in the future, we cannot breed yellow tangs ect so what happens when they are all gone. there should be a three year cycle bought in , no taking for two years then allowed in the third year, then two off again , at least it would give a chance for the stocks to build up

Actually, and I'm not being a smarty either. [emoji41]

http://www.fishchannel.com/fish-new...-bred-yellow-tangs-now-in-hobby-trending.aspx

 

[Flippers4pups]

And the blue "Dory" hepatitis tang.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/wildlife-blue-tang-aquarium-trade/

So where is that in this so called "documentary "? Hum?

 

[Elementalj]

And the blue "Dory" hepatitis tang.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/wildlife-blue-tang-aquarium-trade/

So where is that in this so called "documentary "? Hum?

Exactly.

 

[Shep]

oh wake up and smell the coffee , just listen to yourselves in total denial. speak to any diver and ask them how the undersea landscape has changed in the last twenty years. you cant keep taking hundreds or thousands of fish a month, and it not have an impact. they dont breed that fast, and if you look at all the dead fish laid out in rows , well thats not pollution , thats the ones who didnt even make it off the island.
this is as bad if not worst than the ivory trade killing elephants and rhinos. Difference is we can breed elephants and rhinos in zoos to restock if needed in the future, we cannot breed yellow tangs ect so what happens when they are all gone. there should be a three year cycle bought in , no taking for two years then allowed in the third year, then two off again , at least it would give a chance for the stocks to build up

Yea because the oil spill in Louisiana or new man made island that Chinia made or the overall acidification of the ocean due falls short in comparison to what our hobby does.....Don't even. I know it has an impact but to try and pin the blame on us is just naive

 

[Flippers4pups]

I've been in this hobby since 1993. That must make me DARTH VADER of the fish world! Lol

 

[Elementalj]

I've been in this hobby since 1993. That must make me DARTH VADER of the fish world! Lol

If you're Vader, I might as well be Emperor Palpatine!