To closed loop or not?

[justingraham]

Yes sir

 

[justingraham]

The only things I know without a doubt about is sea swirls and penductors. U have ur lights well I have these.

 

[justingraham]

And closed loops.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

The only things I know without a doubt about is sea swirls and penductors. U have ur lights well I have these.

yea I got that in that thread. Le'me jus say about that one. Oy.

so Am I wrong you can't put two pumps in the cl without a second chamber(weir?) to create surge without messing up the main skimmer chamber levels? that would be a bit too complex at a point No? I think it could be done, but unnecessary as the flow would already be pretty nice already and as turb as you need. Unless you were playing with big money.
Me Id stay a single pump and conventional sump fuge etc, swirls will add "surge" or mount a gyre or jet.

 

[justingraham]

yea I got that in that thread. Le'me jus say about that one. Oy.

so Am I wrong you can't put two pumps in the cl without a second chamber(weir?) to create surge without messing up the main skimmer chamber levels? that would be a bit too complex at a point No? I think it could be done, but unnecessary as the flow would already be pretty nice already and as turb as you need. Unless you were playing with big money.
Me Id stay a single pump and conventional sump fuge etc, swirls will add "surge" or mount a gyre or jet.

Hold on to that thought I'm watching curse of oak island and trying to understand the question and not miss any tv

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Hold on to that thought I'm watching curse of oak island and trying to understand the question and not miss any tv

a man with his priorities on right.

 

[justingraham]

I'm trying to figure out why u would want a closed loop pump in ur sump? Maby I'm mid understanding

 

[justingraham]

Yea I've been waiting like four seasons for them to find something can't miss anything now

 

[Drakonis]

Oak island is on again? ive been enjoying that show in hopes they find something

 

[Brew12]

yea I got that in that thread. Le'me jus say about that one. Oy.

so Am I wrong you can't put two pumps in the cl without a second chamber(weir?) to create surge without messing up the main skimmer chamber levels? that would be a bit too complex at a point No? I think it could be done, but unnecessary as the flow would already be pretty nice already and as turb as you need. Unless you were playing with big money.
Me Id stay a single pump and conventional sump fuge etc, swirls will add "surge" or mount a gyre or jet.

Are you thinking of the old school closed loops using AC motors where you needed to have a surge volume to get this effect?

I'm thinking you could get an excellent surge just by rapidly ramping up the speed of the DC pump in a closed loop system.

 

[Upstartreefer]

I'm sorry I must of wrote something wrong I'm not planning on using the sump return pump on anything but a constant speed. I agree that having a DC pump that you can control through Apex or through the controller itself to have on off times between each pump so you can create the flow that your looking for.

After this discussion and the extra research done after your recommendations I think you can get what you want out of both in tank powerheads or closed loop with the new technology we have today. I think the main thing now is do you want to look at Power heads in your main display or not.

I have a Seaswirl on my 75 gallon tank I'm running now I absolutely love it but if you buy a pump that can be controllable I wouldn't think you would actually need this is for all to change directions for you.

Again I want to thank everyone on this forum and just read y'all have really gave me a lot to think about and help me in my decision. Keep it coming.

 

[justingraham]

I'm sorry I must of wrote something wrong I'm not planning on using the sump return pump on anything but a constant speed. I agree that having a DC pump that you can control through Apex or through the controller itself to have on off times between each pump so you can create the flow that your looking for.

After this discussion and the extra research done after your recommendations I think you can get what you want out of both in tank powerheads or closed loop with the new technology we have today. I think the main thing now is do you want to look at Power heads in your main display or not.

I have a Seaswirl on my 75 gallon tank I'm running now I absolutely love it but if you buy a pump that can be controllable I wouldn't think you would actually need this is for all to change directions for you.

Again I want to thank everyone on this forum and just read y'all have really gave me a lot to think about and help me in my decision. Keep it coming.

I like to have control with my sea swirls that's why I use the vectra I really don't mess with it but with feed mode but I was thinking of having them alternate flow like a tide.

And ur second paragraph sums it up the best

Good luck and have some fun

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

And ur second paragraph sums it up the best

Good luck and have some fun

+10.

If you cant play experiment and otherwise noodle and enjoy it, why do it.

VERY fun thread yall!

 

[Upstartreefer]

@saltyfilmfolks I totally agree this is the first real thread and I have thoroughly enjoyed it and I think I made my decision to go ahead and go with the closed-loop. Thanks for all your help and conversation.

 

[justingraham]

Got another one on the closed loop train woot woot.
But in all seriousness I believe is a cheaper route going cc and if done right a better route.
Thanks for having an open mind

 

[Upstartreefer]

@justinggraham when I do start to set it up I will start a how to plum a closed loop system for best flow I how I can get you on that train. Lol

I will definitely start at thread when I do start setting my new tank up. I know I've said it before several times actually but thanks everyone

 

[justingraham]

Yea just tag me man I enjoy plumbing and helping out people on the things I know. But gotta tag me of I will never know.
I'm redoing my tank now and I'm thinking of putting my intake hole dead center of the bottom glass. I'm a little worried if it leaks my wife will kill me but in the end I think that's the best route. I'm also just going to run the returns thru the sea swirls so over the top. And my sump pump will be pushing two enductors in separate directions so I'm going for max flow without ugly power heads

 

[Upstartreefer]

Awesome thanks

 

[dbl]

@saltyfilmfolks I totally agree this is the first real thread and I have thoroughly enjoyed it and I think I made my decision to go ahead and go with the closed-loop. Thanks for all your help and conversation.

Awesome decision. Looking forward to seeing how you end up putting it together. .

 

[mcarroll]

My new tank will be a 72x30x24.

I'm still debating I'm going with a closed loop system to keep my tank clean without the use of power heads. My question is with today's power heads being smaller and able to move massive amounts of water and controllability is a closed loop system a thing of the past.

@Upstartreefer you are utterly lacking a report from the Red Team here. So far, this is all "Rah Rah Nicey Nicey Let's Play Like It's 1995 Again" time.

Boo on that!

Yes you can run ruin a tank by installing a closed loop system into it.....but you can also still build a T12 actinic+6500K halide lighting system. Would you???????

Pushing water through at least several feet of plumbing is always going to be massively inefficient compared to running a propellor in a tank of water.

This makes perfect sense, right? So you're right not to compare on the power-usage front...there's no comparison to be had.

Up-front costs may be comparable.

However, the major downsides of the closed loop are...

...the lack of flexibility....you can't add to, or remove from or otherwise change the flow in the system as corals grow out or things change
...the "jet like" character of the flow that's created....methods of changing the flow character are gimicky....a motions ocean is probably the best of them.
...how ugly they usually are....in spite of claims to the contrary, twelve water jets hanging around the surface of the tank is unsightly. Other designs don't usually get much better than that.​

Two Turbelle® stream 6105's is under $600 and a maximum of 70 watts. (You will not run them at 100%.)

They can be placed (and therefor hidden) anywhere...
....aimed anywhere
....and moved at any time.

And if hiding is a real priority they can literally be hidden in a Stream Rock and then concealed in/among your rockwork.

And while the 6105 comes with both "wide" and "wider" flow nozzles, the 6105 is not their only game!

Depending how you "roll the tank" in its detail, you might find The new Tunze Stream 3 or some of their other pumps or wave-boxes to be useful as well.