Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[areefer01]

This is an excellent Youtube series, etc - I would hope that Rich might post here more often. The discussion of antibiotic resistance vis a vis using copra for anemones/coral was extremely interesting

It is very interesting and I'm sure they will follow up with more discussion on it at another time.

 

[BeMoto]

This is an excellent Youtube series, etc - I would hope that Rich might post here more often. The discussion of antibiotic resistance vis a vis using copra for anemones/coral was extremely interesting

He is some what active elsewhere. From what I gathered thru the podcast he may be lurking but won't return. But that's a dif issue.

 

[Ldballoon4]

Sounds like Vibrant is a CTRM stock. Got it.

 

[MnFish1]

He is some what active elsewhere. From what I gathered thru the podcast he may be lurking but won't return. But that's a dif issue.

He has posted here recently - thats also a different topic

 

[Garf]

The river by my LFS, that had loads of vibrant, is strangely algae free.

 

[Lerequin]

If Vibrant contains a pesticide, then UWC would be breaking the law by not releasing a document like the safety data sheet API provides for AlgaeFix.
To be honest, I find it baffling one would use pesticides in their aquarium. Pesticides are designed to be toxic to living organisms that play a role in an already fragile ecosystem. Furthermore, these substances' toxicity is rarely assessed independently. There is no 100% safe poison and we should not encourage their production. The reason pesticides exist is ignorance, impatience and the relentless efforts of the companies who produce them to hide their toxicity, even against scientific evidence.

 

[GrimReefer51]

I've been using vibrant for six weeks in a 1.5 year old 7 gallon. Fortunately, using half the dosage (5 drops every week or so) to battle a minimal case of bubble algae which is gone.

I understand that its an algaecide, not bacteria as they claim. Phosphates and Nitrates are stable so far but I'm worried about the future consequences I may face for using this rebranded AlgaeFix.

What are the dangers of using it and should I be worried? Any insight would be appreciated as I'm concerned.

 

[Anemone_Fanatic]

I started dosing this stuff, and it dropped my PH and Alk so that my acans closed up, and a nice trachy got very sick. I wish this thread had started before I bought Vibrant. At least my anemones are still okay. I hope that all reefers throw this nasty stuff away, and just risk emerald crabs. At least with the crabs you can take them out anytime.

 

[mindme]

If Vibrant contains a pesticide, then UWC would be breaking the law by not releasing a document like the safety data sheet API provides for AlgaeFix.
To be honest, I find it baffling one would use pesticides in their aquarium. Pesticides are designed to be toxic to living organisms that play a role in an already fragile ecosystem. Furthermore, these substances' toxicity is rarely assessed independently. There is no 100% safe poison and we should not encourage their production. The reason pesticides exist is ignorance, impatience and the relentless efforts of the companies who produce them to hide their toxicity, even against scientific evidence.

Sorry but I think this is likely bunk.

Water can kill you if you drink too much of it, that doesn't mean it's a poison. Pesticides when used in the correct dosage is the same thing, targets what you want to get rid of, but not enough to kill other things you don't want to kill.

And that is why if vibrant is a pesticide it works.

 

[jcolliii]

Yes, a pesticide, labelled as such, and dosed correctly for that pesticide, and handled appropriately for that pesticide... right on. Hard to do that when you don't know you're handling one though.

 

[ScottB]

I've been using vibrant for six weeks in a 1.5 year old 7 gallon. Fortunately, using half the dosage (5 drops every week or so) to battle a minimal case of bubble algae which is gone.

I understand that its an algaecide, not bacteria as they claim. Phosphates and Nitrates are stable so far but I'm worried about the future consequences I may face for using this rebranded AlgaeFix.

What are the dangers of using it and should I be worried? Any insight would be appreciated as I'm concerned.

The odds are well in your favor if things have been okay so far. I have questioned the chemists around here repeatedly about Busan 77s potential to remain indefinitely and cumulate. They believe that it binds to organics and becomes harmless over time. Thus the need to continue dosing if you are still trying to correct a problem.

I FEEL like MOST people get into trouble when they deploy heavily because, "hey, it is just bacteria. can't really OD on bacteria, right?" Opinion.

 

[Scorpius]

Dosed one dose of this stuff again to kill some minor bubble algae and man did some of my corals get ticked off. I think I'm done with Vibrant.

 

[GrimReefer51]

The odds are well in your favor if things have been okay so far. I have questioned the chemists around here repeatedly about Busan 77s potential to remain indefinitely and cumulate. They believe that it binds to organics and becomes harmless over time. Thus the need to continue dosing if you are still trying to correct a problem.

I FEEL like MOST people get into trouble when they deploy heavily because, "hey, it is just bacteria. can't really OD on bacteria, right?" Opinion.

First and foremost, thank you for such an informative reply. Fortunately, I have discontinued the use of Vibrant as the bubble algae has been eradicated. I conducted a water change as a preventative measure and tested both nitrates and phosphates. With both sitting where I intentionally keep them (Phos .06/ Nitrate 7ppm) in an LPS and Softies tank, I believe I dodged some of the possible issues that others have experienced.

Leaving me questioning. Do I dispose of this bottle, sending it of to toilet Hell next time I use the urinal? Or preserve and administer it in the same manner as previously executed? Short and swift.

As an inexperienced Reefer, I'd rather not make that call. Not just yet. Your input is highly appreciated ScottB. This thread is very intriguing to say the least.

 

[a.t.t.r]

First and foremost, thank you for such an informative reply. Fortunately, I have discontinued the use of Vibrant as the bubble algae has been eradicated. I conducted a water change as a preventative measure and tested both nitrates and phosphates. With both sitting where I intentionally keep them (Phos .06/ Nitrate 7ppm) in an LPS and Softies tank, I believe I dodged some of the possible issues that others have experienced.

Leaving me questioning. Do I dispose of this bottle, sending it of to toilet Hell next time I use the urinal? Or preserve and administer it in the same manner as previously executed? Short and swift.

As an inexperienced Reefer, I'd rather not make that call. Not just yet. Your input is highly appreciated ScottB. This thread is very intriguing to say the least.

Return it.

 

[GrimReefer51]

Return it.

That indeed is another option. May I ask why you recommend it? Not that I question your advice as I lack the experience to do so. Just curious as to why and to better understand the ill-effects of this product in its totality. Whichever way the pendulum swings, it sits patiently next to my other "miracle" fixes awaiting its fate. If that fate is grim, it's imperative I know why as I must refrain from sending things where they don't belong. Hell is only for the wicked.

And yet, with the same conviction.. neither am I fond of the idea of "Miracles" as you could understand. For this very reason, I must act swiftly and accordingly. That is the nature of my work. Any insight can only bring me closer to a verdict, and for that I thank you in advance. Time is everything these days and yours is appreciated. Cheers

 

[a.t.t.r]

That indeed is another option. May I ask why you recommend it? Not that I question your advice as I lack the experience to do so. Just curious as to why and to better understand the ill-effects of this product in its totality. Whichever way the pendulum swings, it sits patiently next to my other "miracle" fixes awaiting its fate. If that fate is grim, it's imperative I know why as I must refrain from sending things where they don't belong. Hell is only for the wicked.

And yet, with the same conviction.. neither am I fond of the idea of "Miracles" as you could understand. For this very reason, I must act swiftly and accordingly. That is the nature of my work. Any insight can only bring me closer to a verdict, and for that I thank you in advance. Time is everything these days and yours is appreciated. Cheers

Because returning it should directly impact uwc when the store returns it to their supplier. While there is nothing “wrong” with the product. Hobbies should not tolerate lies in the industry especially risky ones like drastically mislabeling a product in order to sell a basic already existing product at a huge markup while using the lie to make people feel safer using it. Especially when that chemical is known to kill mollusk in low doses.

 

[LeftyReefer]

Amazon wouldn't let me return my current bottle... outside the return window and they say I bought it from a third party vendor... which is kinda crap since I bought the prime shipped option like always.

Not happy the company lied about the ingredients, if that turns out to be the case. Glad I didn't have any worse issues with it.

Big thank you to all the reefers here at R2R with the means and knowledge to do this kind of work, it was impressive to say the least.

 

[Dan_P]

The odds are well in your favor if things have been okay so far. I have questioned the chemists around here repeatedly about Busan 77s potential to remain indefinitely and cumulate. They believe that it binds to organics and becomes harmless over time. Thus the need to continue dosing if you are still trying to correct a problem.

I FEEL like MOST people get into trouble when they deploy heavily because, "hey, it is just bacteria. can't really OD on bacteria, right?" Opinion.

Interesting.

I wonder whether varying concentration of dissolved organic carbon plays a role in the variability of effectiveness seen by aquarists? Also, too bad we don’t have a running list of which corals that are annoyed by the stuff.

 

[JCOLE]

Interesting.

I wonder whether varying concentration of dissolved organic carbon plays a role in the variability of effectiveness seen by aquarists? Also, too bad we don’t have a running list of which corals that are annoyed by the stuff.

I can give you a list....

 

[shwareefer]

I FEEL like MOST people get into trouble when they deploy heavily because, "hey, it is just bacteria. can't really OD on bacteria, right?" Opinion.

Exactly what happened to me. I had about 30 yuma that became 5 because I was being generous with the product. It took over a year for those 5 to recover and start making babies again. That was before any of this came to light and was actually why I joined this forum in the first place. I thought I had starved them, not poisoned them.