Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[DaneGer21]

It’s only a forum…

 

[mindme]

If you read what I wrote, I said “might be”. That statement cannot be incorrect.

sadly, you are the one misinforming people. There are lots and lots of products that are sold to consumers that cannot be poured down the drain. Maybe read up before saying that because it is in Algaefix, it must be ok.

But by all means use that defense at your trial. lol

Saying "might be" is just a cop out to remove responsibility from what you claimed. You are the one making the claim, you should be the one who does the research to back up the claim, rather than putting it out there from a position of authority and asking others to prove you wrong while mocking them at the same time.

Furthermore, saying there are other products that you can't pour down the drain is a non sequitur. We can easily say there are more products on the market that can be safely be poured down the drain, yet you've decided that those products somehow support your previous claims - which you admit you have not researched. In truth, what can be poured down the drain and what can't is based solely on the ingredients of those products.

At any rate, I have checked out algaefix. They use this stuff in ponds. The only instructions(as approved by the EPA) for storage and disposal have to do with disposing of the bottle. Which it recommends rinsing out(aka pouring what's in it down the drain) before throwing away and recycling the bottle. Do not reuse the bottle.

It took 2 minutes. 0 lawyers needed, and since your claim was false and without merit from the start, there will be no defense trial. Personally, I am disappointed because I thought you were credible, yet here you are in this thread not only pushing false claims, but mocking people who point out your error.

And yet here I am even worried about posting to correct your error because I may get modded for doing so, while you claim I'm spreading misinformation for disagreeing with you. What a joke.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Saying "might be" is just a cop out to remove responsibility from what you claimed.

it is not a cop out to note what is a possibility and not a certainty. It is a requirement of correct speech.

If that isn’t clear to you, we have no mutual understanding of reality.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

It took 2 minutes. 0 lawyers needed, and since your claim was false and without merit from the start, there will be no defense trial. Personally, I am disappointed because I thought you were credible, yet here you are in this thread not only pushing false claims, but mocking people who point out your error.

And yet here I am even worried about posting to correct your error because I may get modded for doing so, while you claim I'm spreading misinformation for disagreeing with you. What a joke.

It took you 2 minutes to repeat your layman legal interpretation. I don’t claim to know what is legal and what is not with respect to disposal of this chemical in a public sewer, except what I posted where the EPA says it is not allowed. Maybe call your local sewer company and ask them if it is ok to dispose of algaecides that way. That would be a worthwhile addition to the thread.

Do I think anyone will be charged? Of course not. I was pointing out an unexpected implication of being misled about the composition of a product. It was primary a joke until you went off suggesting I was somehow in error to suggest something that “might” be true.

As to your claim of being worried about being censored. Relax. If you break the terms of service you will obviously be banned. Expressing opinions (almost any opinion) is allowed as long as you do not break rules when doing so. To claim censorship of differing opinion is happening here is ludicrous.

 

[shwareefer]

 

[mindme]

it is not a cop out to note what is a possibility and not a certainty. It is a requirement of correct speech.

If that isn’t clear to you, we have no mutual understanding of reality.

You made a baseless claim and now you are hiding behind the words "might". If that's not a cop out, I don't know what is.

 

[DopamineKata]

To claim censorship of differing opinion is happening here is ludicrous.

I've had a couple posts mod-edited and one outright removed since joining. In every case I've thought "Yeah that's fair".

 

[Doctorgori]

this topic is just too controversial…. can we just talk religion and politics now?

 

[Lyss]

I keep thinking to myself, few of us ever believe we are acting irrationally. We think we are responding appropriately to a given set of circumstances.

Some folks just have a combative mindset, and see ill intent where there is none… And it’s useless to try to reason w/someone like that.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

You made a baseless claim and now you are hiding behind the words "might". If that's not a cop out, I don't know what is.

Think what you want. I meant exactly what I wrote, and I stand by it.

 

[DopamineKata]

You made a baseless claim and now you are hiding behind the words "might". If that's not a cop out, I don't know what is.

 

[mindme]

It took you 2 minutes to repeat your layman legal interpretation. I don’t claim to know what is legal and what is not with respect to disposal of this chemical in a public sewer, except what I posted where the EPA says it is not allowed. Maybe call your local sewer company and ask them if it is ok to dispose of algaecides that way. That would be a worthwhile addition to the thread.

Do I think anyone will be charged? Of course not. I was pointing out an unexpected implication of being misled about the composition of a product. It was primary a joke until you went off suggesting I was somehow in error to suggest something that “might” be true.

As to your claim of being worried about being censored. Relax. If you break the terms of service you will obviously be banned. Expressing opinions (almost any opinion) is allowed as long as you do not break rules when doing so. To claim censorship of differing opinion is happening here is ludicrous.

I spent 2 minutes and looked at the EPA approval on the algaefix label. In which it tells directly how to properly dispose of it.

Everything else in this disposal discussion has been stuff you've made up. In fact, you've started this entire thing by making it up.

And now you say it was meant as a joke, yet when questioned you doubled down with the non sequiturs.

 

[Doctorgori]

I've had a couple posts mod-edited and one outright removed since joining. In every case I've thought "Yeah that's fair".

I’m just guessing but I think one of the biggest concerns are minors. I’ve been guilty of borderline PG level double entendres and 5min later worry about that impact… Minors sticking around is in everyone’s best interest…
other than that, drama is free energy…
…btw I don’t use the ignore feature, might be non confrontational but has a cowardly taste to it

 

[Turbo's Aquatics Verified Sponsor]

This thread requires kittens. Specifically funny cats and nice fish. Totally random that I happened to choose a GIF that is exactly that.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I spent 2 minutes and looked at the EPA approval on the algaefix label. In which it tells directly how to properly dispose of it.

Everything else in this disposal discussion has been stuff you've made up. In fact, you've started this entire thing by making it up.

And now you say it was meant as a joke, yet when questioned you doubled down with the non sequiturs.

You really want to keep fighting this ridiculous fight?

You show me where it says you can dispose of algaefix a sewer. You’ve not shown any disposal recommendation or link to such.

while you are looking, I’ll show a second document showing you need to do more than pour it down a drain.

http://legacy.picol.cahnrs.wsu.edu/~picol/pdf/WA/24331.pdf

Do not contaminate water, food, or feed by storage or disposal. Do not ship with Food, Feed, Drugs, or Clothing.

PESTICIDE DISPOSAL: Wastes resulting from the use of this product may be disposed of on-site or at an approved waste disposal facility.

 

[MnFish1]

You really want to keep fighting this ridiculous fight?

You show me where it says you can dispose of algaefix a sewer. You’ve not shown any disposal recommendation or link to such.

while you are looking, I’ll show a second document showing you need to do more than pour it down a drain.

http://legacy.picol.cahnrs.wsu.edu/~picol/pdf/WA/24331.pdf

Do not contaminate water, food, or feed by storage or disposal. Do not ship with Food, Feed, Drugs, or Clothing.

PESTICIDE DISPOSAL: Wastes resulting from the use of this product may be disposed of on-site or at an approved waste disposal facility.

Except - something is wrong here. The same algaecide is used in POOLS and outdoor ponds. We swim in this 'pesticide' - and backwash our pool every so often when it rains. So - With all due respect, there has to be some misunderstanding.

 

[jcolliii]

Note the very last paragraph. Effluent containing this product. This would seem to indicate even low concentrations...

 

[MnFish1]

If you look up the data sheet for Busan 77 this is what the first page says about it.

”
For Residential Use:
CAUTION: Harmful if swallowed or absorbed through the skin. Causes moderate eye irritation. Avoid contact with skin, eyes, or clothing. Wash thoroughly with soap and water after handling and before eating, drinking, chewing gum, using tobacco, or using the toilet. Remove and wash contaminated clothing before reuse.
ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS: This pesticide is toxic to fish, aquatic organisms and clams. Do not discharge effluent containing this product into lakes, streams, ponds, estuaries, oceans or other waters unless in accordance with the requirements of a National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) permit and the permitting authority has been notified in writing prior to discharge. Do not discharge effluent containing this product to sewer systems without previously notifying the local sewage treatment plant authority. For guidance contact your State Water Board or Regional Office of the EPA.”

Here is the link:

https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/ppls/001448-00042-20140919.pdf

And - the issue here is 'concentration'. Obviously - assuming that 'Busan 77' is the same chemical thats in algaefix - there has to be a problem - since obviously -- when used 'fish' do not just die. I am not going through the EPA 'stuff' again - it was tedious enough last time - but - Obviously algaefix is not 'toxic to fish' - at the concentrations used.

 

[jcolliii]

I think the precautionary statements go along with the high concentration stuff... the one I pulled was 60% polix, 40% other... the effluent, though, could be any concentration.

 

[Sean Clark]

After reading a prior post I was doing some Google searching and could not find a Safety Data Sheet for Vibrant. I could not find one.

Sorry it this was provided earlier and I missed it.