Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

[jcolliii]

There is not a safety data sheet for Vibrant because the MFG lied about it being a bacterial supplement... it is not, it is Busan 77...

Edit: woops, I think you know that...

 

[Sean Clark]

There is not a safety data sheet for Vibrant because the MFG lied about it being a bacterial supplement... it is not, it is Busan 77...

Edit: woops, I think you know that...

Thanks. So it is not my google skills then. I was wondering why there wouldn't be an SDS. That sounds like a whole different bag or worms that I don't want to be the one to open.

 

[polyppal]

This thread requires kittens. Specifically funny cats and nice fish. Totally random that I happened to choose a GIF that is exactly that.

Don’t let the cuteness fool you, that kitten is chalk full of Busan77!

 

[MnFish1]

Note the very last paragraph. Effluent containing this product. This would seem to indicate even low concentrations...

Algaefix: dimethyliminoethylene dichloride, ethoxylate
Busan 77: Poly (oxy-1,2-ethanediyl(dimethylimino) 1,2-ethanediyl(dimethylimino)-1,2-ethanediyl dichloride

Are they the same?

 

[Malcontent]

Except - something is wrong here. The same algaecide is used in POOLS and outdoor ponds. We swim in this 'pesticide' - and backwash our pool every so often when it rains. So - With all due respect, there has to be some misunderstanding.

Technically, you should probably be neutralizing or removing it before discharging swimming pool water. It probably also depends on whether you discharge it into the sewer sewers or storm sewers.

I suspect that applies to chlorine in swimming pool water as well.

 

[DopamineKata]

I don’t use the ignore feature, might be non confrontational but has a cowardly taste to it

I've used it with several people in these Vibrant threads. I'm all for discussion and debate but if you're going to pick a combative stance when you've not done one iota of research I have no time for you.

 

[MnFish1]

Technically, you should probably be neutralizing or removing it before discharging swimming pool water. It probably also depends on whether you discharge it into the sewer sewers or storm sewers.

I suspect that applies to chlorine in swimming pool water as well.

Actually - you're right - in a sense - we have a 'salt pool' - there is only a small amount of chlorine. So its below the threshold. The salt - is as well. There is no regulation about the algaecide that we use.

 

[Sean Clark]

I've used it with several people in these Vibrant threads. I'm all for discussion and debate but if you're going to pick a combative stance when you've not done one iota of research I have no time for you.

I haven't used the ignore feature yet; however lack of civil discord is what pushes me closer and closer everyday. I am all for different opinions and different stances on any issue.
When users take every post as a personal attack.... I'm out. I am not trying to change anyone's mind.

 

[mindme]

You really want to keep fighting this ridiculous fight?

You show me where it says you can dispose of algaefix a sewer. You’ve not shown any disposal recommendation or link to such.

while you are looking, I’ll show a second document showing you need to do more than pour it down a drain.

http://legacy.picol.cahnrs.wsu.edu/~picol/pdf/WA/24331.pdf

Do not contaminate water, food, or feed by storage or disposal. Do not ship with Food, Feed, Drugs, or Clothing.

PESTICIDE DISPOSAL: Wastes resulting from the use of this product may be disposed of on-site or at an approved waste disposal facility.

You are the one who is keeping this ridiculous fight going, but I'm not surprised you'd point fingers at me solely.

It says it on the bottles. US EPA, Pesticide Product Label, ALGAE FIX

"Rinse thoroughly before disposing in trash."

It seems pretty obvious to me that the amount of this stuff required to cause harm is pretty large. This stuff is used in ponds and other things, so the threat is obviously not as high as some of you are trying to push it off as.

Why is a chemist pretending the amount of the product isn't a big deal? We are talking about small amounts. It itself comes in a bottle that is already diluted. You're kind of acting like someone putting some fertilizer on their lawn is going to run off and cause a red tide or something. The danger is obviously non-existant in such small amounts.

Now if I was going to take a bunch of tanker trucks full of it and dump it out, I could see where that might be an issue. But it's simply ridiculous to pretend like the amount an aquarium user has is somehow illegal to put down their drain. The dosage amounts are so low, even sensitive coral live through it.

If you drink too much water, it will poison you. That doesn't mean water in smaller amounts is dangerous to you.

 

[mindme]

Note the very last paragraph. Effluent containing this product. This would seem to indicate even low concentrations...

You are taking something that is concentrated in high levels and applying it to something that is diluted in small amounts. The difference between the 2 in terms of safety pretty much highlights that. It says not to put that product into ponds, and yet algaefix is EPA approved to...put in ponds.

I am not sure what exactly is supposed to indicate even low concentrations.

 

[mindme]

After reading a prior post I was doing some Google searching and could not find a Safety Data Sheet for Vibrant. I could not find one.

Sorry it this was provided earlier and I missed it.

We're comparing algaefix, since that is what vibrant is. Algaefix is EPA approved.

 

[polyppal]

I haven't used the ignore feature yet; however lack of civil discord is what pushes me closer and closer everyday.

It’s great, give it a go!

 

[Sean Clark]

We're comparing algaefix, since that is what vibrant is. Algaefix is EPA approved.

You may be comparing to AlgaeFix. I am not. I was referencing another post. Thank you I don't think you will find any arguments here that AgaeFix has been EPA approved.

 

[mindme]

I haven't used the ignore feature yet; however lack of civil discord is what pushes me closer and closer everyday. I am all for different opinions and different stances on any issue.
When users take every post as a personal attack.... I'm out. I am not trying to change anyone's mind.

Didn't you have posts edited/deleted for personal attacks?

 

[Sean Clark]

Didn't you have posts edited/deleted for personal attacks?

No. And that is not what this is either.

 

[mindme]

And - the issue here is 'concentration'. Obviously - assuming that 'Busan 77' is the same chemical thats in algaefix - there has to be a problem - since obviously -- when used 'fish' do not just die. I am not going through the EPA 'stuff' again - it was tedious enough last time - but - Obviously algaefix is not 'toxic to fish' - at the concentrations used.

Exactly.

I don't understand why some are trying to push this stuff as being more toxic than it actually is. What is the point in making people think they could be doing something illegal by pouring it down the drain?

 

[mindme]

No. And that is not what this is either.

Maybe I have you mixed up with someone else, sorry.

 

[jcolliii]

I haven't used the ignore feature yet; however lack of civil discord is what pushes me closer and closer everyday. I am all for different opinions and different stances on any issue.
When users take every post as a personal attack.... I'm out. I am not trying to change anyone's mind.

I have. It's lovely.

 

[blaxsun]

Thank God for the ignore feature. Sometimes it's not enough to just not feed the trolls; you have to choke off their supply of air.
..........

In lieu of UWC continuing to drag this out by stalling, can I ask why in good conscience they're still allowed to advertise on R2R? There's more than a bit of subtle irony in the fact that I've seen 3 banners for Vibrant while scrolling through this thread for updates...

 

[jcolliii]

Algaefix: dimethyliminoethylene dichloride, ethoxylate
Busan 77: Poly (oxy-1,2-ethanediyl(dimethylimino) 1,2-ethanediyl(dimethylimino)-1,2-ethanediyl dichloride

Are they the same?

Yes. The Chemical Abstract No (CAS no.) is the same: 31512-74-0.