What's Your Opinion?

The problem isn't being "highly opinionated" the problem is some people do not know how to accept another person's opinion. They are so invested in their way of doing things that the minute someone questions, disagrees or offers another way they get "upset" and lash out.

The thread about what you wish they wouldn't sell for SW aquariums. One guy posted LEDS and people wanted to know why. He basically said this is what I think no explanation needed. A few people wanted scientific data, where did he get off coming to his opinion, the would not let off.

You don't have to agree with someone's but by that same token a person does not have to justify their opinion either.

There are facts in this hobby and opinion and some people cannot distinguish between the two.
 
There are facts in this hobby and opinion and some people cannot distinguish between the two.

That seems true of the world now-a-days, don't it? *sigh*

I love debating, wish it was more feasible. Even my husband and I have very different opinions on the hobby.
 
Have you ever gotten a group of three friends and each is a Ford, Chevy and Dodge guy?

To me it's all based on your personal experience and what threads you happened to stumble apon while seeking info on that light or what ever.

IMO, I think LED's are starting to loose their charm and people are slowly going back to Mh/T5's. With that said, I want LED fixture to save on utility bill, but love the shimmer of my Mh's. As does the wife and we all know who the boss is. Lol.

IMO MH using 15K works real well, but Led's are the future. I do get the shimmer from my LEDS. use this link and search page for lighting links. http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/index.html#specials ALL COOL:D:cool::cool:
 
That's where I agree when it comes to live stock but as for which method is best ,what's better to dose,what light is best its personal opinion. There can only be 1 right answer with live stock

Qualifiers help others to understand your opinion or precieved fact. Yes?? To say This is ______. no other statement. Someone might want to know why. To learn? Yes??
 
The problem isn't being "highly opinionated" the problem is some people do not know how to accept another person's opinion. They are so invested in their way of doing things that the minute someone questions, disagrees or offers another way they get "upset" and lash out.

The thread about what you wish they wouldn't sell for SW aquariums. One guy posted LEDS and people wanted to know why. He basically said this is what I think no explanation needed. A few people wanted scientific data, where did he get off coming to his opinion, the would not let off.

You don't have to agree with someone's but by that same token a person does not have to justify their opinion either.

There are facts in this hobby and opinion and some people cannot distinguish between the two.

You are Wrong---No explanation NEEDED---------------------------It was his Attitude: Example to the left is why. IMO
Understanding about____________ makes people feel better. Giving someone Attitude for wanting to understand someone else's opinion is NOT disrespectful. Again its Understanding others that Helps. :cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
You are Wrong---No explanation NEEDED---------------------------It was his Attitude: Example to the left is why. IMO
Understanding about____________ makes people feel better. Giving someone Attitude for wanting to understand someone else's opinion is NOT disrespectful. Again its Understanding others that Helps. :cool::cool::cool::cool:
Funny.

What does "example to the left is why" mean.
Why do you have to understand somebody's opinion. Most of the time I don't give a dang why a person thinks what they think.

I learned a long time ago " it's better to lose an argument against someone who knows what they're talking about than win one against someone who doesn't."

My point was he didn't owe anyone an explanation.
 
In his mind I'm wrong. In my mind, I don't care what he thinks. [emoji2]
Others have said similar things. I always shake my head at this kind of response. Why be a member of a discussion forum then? Do you just want to tell people your thoughts and hear none of theirs? Do you already know everything or do you think there is nothing to be gained by discussion?

This is the royal you not you personally before someone goes and gets offended. Remember discussion forum! ;)
 
Can someone explain to me why some feel the need to personally attack someone when all they're trying to do is convey their opinion on something - that was a rhetorical statement, I don't need an explanation. Yesterday I witnessed three instances of when someone conveyed a response that someone else didn't like and got crucified for it! It's their opinion if you don't like it that's fine but why do you have to attack the person and not the topic at hand. Furthermore the person being attacked shot back with a similar response, showings a bit of ignorance and also showing how widespread the problem really is.

The following quoted statement has never been truer - "I've said this before, but this seeming inability to accept a difference of opinion is a growing societal problem, certainly not isolated to this or other forums. Far too many self-esteems are based on likes, dislikes, shares, forwards, pokes...pick your social media feedback method."

I'll take the statement a step further, we see this all the time, you see it on the news with politicians attacking each other with comments that really shouldn't be said nationally let alone in public, the media grabs it and they run with it and they make it seem like it's the best thing on the planet since sliced bread but in actuality it's not, it shows nothing but a bias approach to what the media deems "good news". And therein lies the problem, now some think it's appropriate to act like these individuals - "speak your mind no matter who you offend or how you make them feel" - how is that helping anyone but themselves look like an idiot!?!?

Let's try and keep the debates on topic let's try and stop attacking people and start attacking the topic at hand. Part of having a crucial conversation with someone is to listen to what the other individual is stating you might not agree with it and you don't have to but listen to what they're saying try to put yourselves in their shoes and if you still don't agree with it at the end again, that's fine but state it in the manner that's not going to attack them personally, it's just not right, and by doing so all you're really doing is derailing the conversation.
 
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As someone who hasn't been in the hobby that long I value everyone's opinion. I don't consider any of them to be wrong I simply take it all in and decide which would best suite me. What works for some might not work for others. If everyone had the same opinions about everything life would be boring. That's my opinion anyway (hahaha)

I'd have to disagree. There are lots of clearly wrong things stated by people, and as noted, need to be pointed out so that others are not misled.
 
All to often people spout out info that they believe to be true, because they heard it before from a "trusted source" and then relay it as established fact. I have seen this from new and experienced hobbyists alike. Providing a modicum of evidence to support a statement, whether personal observation and experience, scientific data, comments from an "expert", or some other means provides he person with the question or even a silent observer some means of forming their own opinion later on. Saying you have an opinion, and quite visibly share that opinion, but give no reason why doesn't help further the conversation or understanding of a subject at hand.

Also, people, especially "experts" get dogmatic in their approach. Since they have personally, experienced their greatest success in one way, than heaven help any that would try to do it another way. Those with an open mind and at least a degree of understanding why they are doing something and why they think it will work, end up better off in the long run.
 
But some things are wrong and it should be OK to correct someone.

...There are lots of clearly wrong things stated by people, and as noted, need to be pointed out so that others are not misled.

I too would agree that obviously erroneous information needs to be addressed, not only for the person posting, but for the eventual person that Googles the topic and stumbles on the thread. I think the point I'm trying to make is it can be done respectfully, for which sometimes it is, but often times not so much.

If the person being "corrected" continues to argue their point, then one can simply AGREE TO DISAGREE, a perfectly acceptable conclusion to a discussion. State your points indicating why you think the information is incorrect, indicate what you believe is correct, and let it stand. Your point of view is now "on the record", so to speak. As it was so well stated above, let the topic at hand be the focal point, not the bashing of other's opinions.

And by the way, I'm not suggesting either of the two individuals quoted above are guilty of bashing fellow members. I just wanted to get that on the record!!!
 
Can someone explain to me why some feel the need to personally attack someone when all they're trying to do is convey their opinion on something
YES! It is hard to convey tone when you're simply typing words to be read on a screen, but I feel as though too often people jump behind the defensive wall as though they are being attacked. It's happened to me quite a few times and I wind up re-reading my post ten times to see what got them upset. I don't want to end every question with a smiley face. Usually a question is just a question, it doesn't have to be loaded with some ill intent. This just happened recently and I restated the exact same post, put a smiley at the end asked the person who was clearly offended if that made it better. And it did! UGH!!!

I find this forum to be an especially light-hearted one. This place is dedicated to something we all love and put so much of our time into. It's not like we are debating how to end world hunger or politics. I read posts as though the person on the other end is smiling. I'd hope others would read mine that way too.
 
Read carefully, write carefully. Nice matters. Everyone perceives and learns differently. I posted something the other day in response or as an add on to a statement on a thread. The OP came back with a retort that could be taken by some as derogatory or your wrong. I know the guy I like him and respect him. I know how he is and he didn't take the time to read my post. I know most people will understand what I said so why raise a stink.
 
Others have said similar things. I always shake my head at this kind of response. Why be a member of a discussion forum then? Do you just want to tell people your thoughts and hear none of theirs? Do you already know everything or do you think there is nothing to be gained by discussion?

This is the royal you not you personally before someone goes and gets offended. Remember discussion forum! ;)
The response was to his response of calling me wrong about a thread, not about the hobby. If it wasn't for this forum and MARSH my home forum I would have a tank full of stagnant water. Advice is always read and evaluated for its content.

There are facts and then there are opinions. People something can't tell the difference. If a person does not want to explain or defend there opinion they don't have to. Then you as the reader have the option of disregarding their opinion/statement and/or refuting it or correcting it. Then move on.
 
Funny.

What does "example to the left is why" mean.
Why do you have to understand somebody's opinion. Most of the time I don't give a **** why a person thinks what they think.

I learned a long time ago " it's better to lose an argument against someone who knows what they're talking about than win one against someone who doesn't."

My point was he didn't owe anyone an explanation.
:rolleyes: You have just proved my point and you have an opinion I can use moving forward " it's better to lose an argument against someone who knows what they're talking about than win one against someone who doesn't." Yes, I do like this quote as it applies. Thanks for the enlightenment. :p
 

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