Where does pest responsibility start?

[ronnie]

They get new stuff every week they would need about 8 different qt setups to get them through the 8 week qt process.

So you've devised a possible solution. Well done.

 

[ronnie]

I think the distributers and vendors should take precautions against pests making it down the line, and they do. Fact of the matter is its easier for one person to spend 10 minutes inspecting a frag when they receive it(the buyer) than a vendor to meticulously inspect thousands of frags every day. I think you're just being unrealistic to a point.

The beef industry has a limit on the maximum amount of rodent fecal matter per pound of beef, meaning that even on of the strictest industries, still allows imperfections to get through.

So we are back to the excuse that they are too busy, then?

And I still don't know what the beef industry has to do with coral. I'm completely missing the tie in. Unless you said it was ok for a little mad cow disease to slip through, and then mad cow mutated and became airborne and infected everyone that came into contact. A bit drastic, obviously, but is that the connection you're trying to make?

 

[PaulKreider]

If you're so stuck on a vendor being evil because they're humans too and make mistakes, maybe since you're perfect you should fly out to Australia, get your permits, go cut you're own coral, get It through customs, then put it in your tank.

Nobody's perfect. Stop blaming somebody else because you were to lazy to inspect a frag.

 

[ronnie]

LOL

I'm apparently striking a chord with some folks on this issue, because they're getting pretty bent on it.

I wasn't lazy, I dipped and inspected every frag. Closely. With a microscope actually.

And I'm blaming the hobbyists that allow these practices to continue. The majority of vendors will do whatever it takes to make money, they do have a business to run after all.

What I'm asking is for them to do due diligence and standardize their procedures to better eliminate pests in this hobby.

And I'm asking hobbyists to have an awareness of what vendors are and aren't doing so they can make better educated decisions.

 

[nova65ss]

Dipping and inspection doesnt cut it. 12 weeks of dipping and inspecting does.

 

[Reefing Madness]

If the vendors weren't watching their corals, then they'd have nothing to sell. Accidents happen.

 

[ronnie]

Dipping and inspection doesnt cut it. 12 weeks of dipping and inspecting does.

Agreed. I'm not letting myself or anyone else off the hook for not QT'ing properly.

The goal is to improve processes upstream from us.

 

[ronnie]

If the vendors weren't watching their corals, then they'd have nothing to sell. Accidents happen.

I don't follow. What do you mean?

 

[Tahoe61]

When you use buzz words like "ethical and moral, drinking the tea" no you have not struck a cord, speaking for myself you have offended. Not sure what reward you're getting from all dragging out this drama but I stopped trying to see the issue from your point of view once you brought down what was a discussion to being insulting.

 

[PaulKreider]

I give up, I've worked retail and its clear to me you're the customer that all the employees avoid because you can never be pleased.

 

[ronnie]

So ethical and morality don't apply here? When did certain businesses start getting passes on those?

 

[ronnie]

I give up, I've worked retail and its clear to me you're the customer that all the employees avoid because you can never be pleased.

I work in a facet of retail as well. And work very hard every day to keep them happy.

I'm not here to be "pleased". I'd love to hear valid points of why vendors are exempt from properly handling corals. All you've provided this far are excuses which have become the standard.

 

[PaulKreider]

You have had multiple vendors chime in and make your accusations of "improper handling" false. They QT to the best of their abilities without causing more overhead than they can afford. Give it a rest. Every time somebody makes a point you play stupid.

 

[ronnie]

Thanks Paul. You're insults are mere vindication for me that I'm on the right track.

I've also had vendors send me PM's thanking me for bringing up this issue. What does that tell you?

 

[Csreef]

It's hard to argue against an idealistic point of view, and in a perfect world we would see this in our hobby. The wholesaler has six times the square footage to quarantine each new shipment, the retailer would do the same. and prices would be $20.00 for any kind of coral. What is it that you want? Would you like all retailers to have a detailed plan how they dip all their corals and quarantine? You have some valid points, but to bring about the change you want in an industry would be too great and destroy 99% of the stores. And that's not an excuse, it's reality.

 

[ronnie]

I would love for all vendors to develop a plan together and then follow it.

I'm not sure how forcing vendors to be responsible in their QT procedure would drive all of them out of business. Perfection isn't what I'm driving for. It's the effort to be perfect.

 

[louieg]

Thanks Paul. You're insults are mere vindication for me that I'm on the right track.

I've also had vendors send me PM's thanking me for bringing up this issue. What does that tell you?

 

[ronnie]

Why not? What's not to believe?

 

[hybridazn]

I would love for all vendors to develop a plan together and then follow it.

I'm not sure how forcing vendors to be responsible in their QT procedure would drive all of them out of business. Perfection isn't what I'm driving for. It's the effort to be perfect.

Vendors have posted their qt procedures but yet you keep going on with this. We aren't dumb, we know why you made this thread and so on. You've been burned in the past, we get it. But if you think this thread is constructive then you are sadly mistaken. You have this ideal that in reality isn't possible. Many vendors have chimed in with their procedures but apparently they aren't good enough because things still fall thru the cracks. They have also stepped up in the few ways they can to make things right with consumers that did happen to get some pests but again, not enough.

 

[ronnie]

I have seen flaws posted in the procedures.

And yes. I've been burned. But that is on me. My fault (see what I did there).

My ask is to improve on the process as it's flawed, and for hobbyists to push for those improvements.

Perhaps this is just long overdue? Everyone sits by idly and allows it to happen because that's how it has always been done. And just because that's the precedent, doesn't mean we can't improve.